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Re: Commadores annoy me

Sun, 26 September 2004 11:46

mick wrote on Tue, 03 August 2004 21:17

Beer_is_good wrote on Tue, 03 August 2004 20:46

Hmmm, this thread just turned bad.
There was a generalization made that Commodore drivers act like fools, think they are all Mark Skaife and believe they have the best car on the road... that's a pretty accurate generalization too.
Gary and tyottsoarer, sort your differences out with private messages if you wish, this is a Holden bagging thread!!
Very Happy

As for the flaws:
-Shiny shell over a clearly family car chassis
-Engine is a joke, wild tolerances, bad design/materials, pushrod engines are limited, general quality stinks
-This carries on to driveline, the auto shifting is harsh to say the least, noisy and vibrates a lot, manual transmissions lack confidence, etc.
-Electronics, wow, what a disaster
-Steering, suspension, loose, weak, badly tuned
-Interior is probably the best bit of the car though still mostly sucks
-Power, driveability, they all sound exactly the same
-General build quality is severely lacking, I've heard a lot of bad news and had first-hand experience with my Camira (the worst), Kingswoods and Commodores. Design is poor, where a Toyota engine bay is logical, innovative and practical, a Holden engine bay is 'put the engine there and try to fit everything else in, never mind if hte wires change colours'.

The list could go on, but the basic theme is poor design, poor build quality, and incorrect application (ie trying to turn a family car into a sports/performance car).

The VL had the best engine of the lot, even though it's just a Nissan it sh-ts on anything Holden ever made.
The Monaro... I don't know, I think Holden almost made an alright car there, CONCEPTUALLY, even if they lack the build quality still and the new ones are two-door Commodores.

Just my 2c...
Adrian

the biggest problem I found with my WB Holden was just how cold that 202 could be! something shocking! Took it a while to get warm once it was warm it ran lovely, was never a sports car but wasn't to bad for a stock motor, the other thing was the electricals but just about everyone with a old holden i know has had that problem

this is whatt i find:
the 3l Nissan motor was the best motor holden had (reliabilty wise)
VN auto is very harsh (every VN I have driven with an auto 3 of them)
the VR SS I drove (if this is suppose to be a sports car it's got bad handling for one), be more so suited for towing a caravan or boat which it would do at ease.
I do find alot of Commodore drivers are up themselves, not all but it's the wankers that give the Commodore a bad name unfortunatly
Commodores that are family cars (some) or owned buy a old person can be a good buy

and also the new Monaro is not a Monaro its a two door Commodore the old Monaros are classics!

man your opinions are similar to mine Smile

I dont mean to take sides here (i think we all hate commodores equally here) But what do you think the original monaros were? Merely a 2 door kingswood with some go fast bits...times havent changed at all it seems.

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