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Sam_Q Forums Junkie Location: S.E suberbs, Vic Registered: December 2003	Re: Savage Understeer Tue, 16 November 2004 21:48 oldcorollas wrote on Mon, 15 November 2004 13:56 yes. a spring, be it coiled or otherwise, has a certain stiffness. if you make the spring shorter, then for a given deflection, it will push back more... ie, when you reduce the length of a coiled spring by cutting off coils, you increase the rate, since now the metal of the spring deforms more for a given total spring deflection. you effectively turn the spring into a 'short stroke' version, as free length is less, and loaded deflection is also less. and as was stated earlier, they can become non-captive. most springs ends are either flat, or the coils change shape at each end, so when you cut it, you alter that shape, and you will get local points of very high stress on the spring mounts, which can lead to spring mount failure = baad mmkay. as for swaybars, increase size of swaybar increases weight transfer to outside wheel, and thus can lead to loss of traction (on that outside wheel) sooner. increase front swaybar = understeer, increase rear swaybar = oversteer. Cya, Stewart even if chopping the spring shorter does increase the rate, the worst thing I can see happening is that it sags due to stress. Sprinter and Corolla springs dont have a flat end instead they have an indent in the bottom seat for the spring which comes in on an angle. So by lowered the vehicle the spring comes in on a bit of a sharper angle, if its such a big deal a quick once over with a flapper wheel to take the edge off would solve the problem. I have been using chopped springs in my AE-71 for years and my sprinter for a while aswell, and last time I had a look at the bottom seats of my sprinter they were just fine, it is pretty thick metal afterall. ALso I have guides in my corolla to stop the spring falling out and short strokes in my sprinter. Also how is this different from short aftermarket springs? how do they not fall out if they are the same length and non progressive? I hear people bitching about chopped springs so much but they have yet to give me a reason that I accept why they are so bad. What you guys are saying about the sprinter natural handling is strange to me, both mine and my friends sprinter in stock form had a natural overseer trait. Even after both of ours were modified they still had the same balance. I ended up setting the rear shockers to be disproportionally harder compared to the front to make it more neutral. I am not sure if this was the right apporach and I am still working out the suspension as I go. I want to add the braces after I have done the other main parts so I know for sure what it really does do. As for anti-roll bars hasnt it been proven well over by Bill Sherwood and others that the standard ones are best? Also seeing that this thread has been a bit harsh so far I would like to ask if you have a problem with what I say then tell me in a technical way why and not just attempt to insult me. This is a modifiers forum, not a bar. We should help each other here regardless of what car we have and I think that if you have an opinion on here and you cant go about it without saying it in an insulting way and without a reason why then you shouldnt be on here. Alright, anyway I posted somethng here to learn something so if anyone wants to discuss what I have said I am listening. [Updated on: Wed, 17 November 2004 01:35] [Report message to a moderator]

	Subject	Poster	Date
	Savage Understeer	WHITCHY	Thu, 11 November 2004 10:30
	Re: Savage Understeer	mrshin	Thu, 11 November 2004 10:36
	Re: Savage Understeer	Nark	Thu, 11 November 2004 10:37
	Re: Savage Understeer	4ageeza	Thu, 11 November 2004 10:46
	Re: Savage Understeer	Nark	Thu, 11 November 2004 10:53
	Re: Savage Understeer	EMP-2TG	Thu, 11 November 2004 11:06
	Re: Savage Understeer	gianttomato	Thu, 11 November 2004 19:54
	Re: Savage Understeer	rob_RA40	Thu, 11 November 2004 21:32
	Re: Savage Understeer	AE86slut	Thu, 11 November 2004 21:54
	Re: Savage Understeer	rob_RA40	Thu, 11 November 2004 22:21
	Re: Savage Understeer	AE86slut	Fri, 12 November 2004 02:35
	Re: Savage Understeer	ra23celica	Fri, 12 November 2004 02:48
	Re: Savage Understeer	AE86slut	Fri, 12 November 2004 02:59
	Re: Savage Understeer	ra23celica	Fri, 12 November 2004 03:48
	Re: Savage Understeer	AE86slut	Fri, 12 November 2004 06:21
	Re: Savage Understeer	ra23celica	Fri, 12 November 2004 06:42
	Re: Savage Understeer	ae86slaver	Fri, 12 November 2004 08:58
	Re: Savage Understeer	Nark	Sat, 13 November 2004 03:29
	Re: Savage Understeer	4ageeza	Sat, 13 November 2004 06:05
	Re: Savage Understeer	Nark	Sat, 13 November 2004 23:34
	Re: Savage Understeer	ae86slaver	Sun, 14 November 2004 01:57
	Re: Savage Understeer	Nark	Sun, 14 November 2004 22:37
	Re: Savage Understeer	ae86slaver	Sun, 14 November 2004 23:28
	Re: Savage Understeer	rob_RA40	Fri, 12 November 2004 03:11
	Re: Savage Understeer	ae86slaver	Fri, 12 November 2004 04:25
	Re: Savage Understeer	davedave	Fri, 12 November 2004 04:26
	Re: Savage Understeer	dcleyne	Fri, 12 November 2004 01:04
	Re: Savage Understeer	4agte	Fri, 12 November 2004 02:34
	Re: Savage Understeer	4agte	Fri, 12 November 2004 03:02
	Re: Savage Understeer	ra23celica	Fri, 12 November 2004 03:57
	Re: Savage Understeer	4ageeza	Fri, 12 November 2004 03:37
	Re: Savage Understeer	bathurst-91	Fri, 12 November 2004 04:30
	Re: Savage Understeer	Nark	Fri, 12 November 2004 05:13
	Re: Savage Understeer	WHITCHY	Fri, 12 November 2004 05:03
	Re: Savage Understeer	ae86drift	Fri, 12 November 2004 08:40
	Re: Savage Understeer	ae86slaver	Fri, 12 November 2004 05:06
	Re: Savage Understeer	4ageeza	Fri, 12 November 2004 07:20
	Re: Savage Understeer	ra23celica	Fri, 12 November 2004 07:40
	Re: Savage Understeer	4ageeza	Fri, 12 November 2004 07:45
	Re: Savage Understeer	AE86slut	Fri, 12 November 2004 08:53
	Re: Savage Understeer	ae86drift	Fri, 12 November 2004 08:31
	Re: Savage Understeer	4ageeza	Fri, 12 November 2004 09:05
	Re: Savage Understeer	AE86slut	Fri, 12 November 2004 09:12
	Re: Savage Understeer	ae86drift	Fri, 12 November 2004 09:17
	Re: Savage Understeer	indigoid	Fri, 12 November 2004 10:57
	Re: Savage Understeer	ae86drift	Fri, 12 November 2004 14:09
	Re: Savage Understeer	takai	Fri, 12 November 2004 13:15
	Re: Savage Understeer	Simon-AE86	Fri, 12 November 2004 15:27
	Re: Savage Understeer	oldcorollas	Mon, 15 November 2004 02:56
	Re: Savage Understeer	Sam_Q	Tue, 16 November 2004 21:48
	Re: Savage Understeer	gianttomato	Tue, 16 November 2004 22:33
	Re: Savage Understeer	Sam_Q	Wed, 17 November 2004 01:28
	Re: Savage Understeer	davedave	Tue, 16 November 2004 22:33
	Re: Savage Understeer	rob_RA40	Sat, 13 November 2004 00:12
	Re: Savage Understeer	Classique71	Sat, 13 November 2004 02:23
	Re: Savage Understeer	joecoolmk2	Sun, 14 November 2004 02:02
	Re: Savage Understeer	RWDboy	Mon, 15 November 2004 01:01
	Re: Savage Understeer	shinybluesteel	Mon, 15 November 2004 01:22
	Re: Savage Understeer	koen	Mon, 15 November 2004 01:32
	Re: Savage Understeer	Bobski	Mon, 15 November 2004 02:27
	Re: Savage Understeer	rob_RA40	Tue, 16 November 2004 22:26
	Re: Savage Understeer	rob_RA40	Wed, 17 November 2004 01:30
	Re: Savage Understeer	Sam_Q	Wed, 17 November 2004 01:32
	Re: Savage Understeer	EvilJack	Wed, 17 November 2004 02:32
	Re: Savage Understeer	Bobski	Wed, 17 November 2004 03:21
	Re: Savage Understeer	Sam_Q	Wed, 17 November 2004 06:32
	Re: Savage Understeer	RWDboy	Wed, 17 November 2004 06:43
	Re: Savage Understeer	indigoid	Wed, 17 November 2004 08:56
	Re: Savage Understeer	TurboRA28	Wed, 17 November 2004 06:50
	Re: Savage Understeer	RWDboy	Wed, 17 November 2004 06:52
	Re: Savage Understeer	Corona RT142	Wed, 17 November 2004 09:06
	Re: Savage Understeer	Flem	Wed, 17 November 2004 09:12
	Re: Savage Understeer	Bobski	Wed, 17 November 2004 13:18
	Re: Savage Understeer	RWDboy	Thu, 18 November 2004 01:19
	Re: Savage Understeer	AE86slut	Thu, 18 November 2004 03:40
	Re: Savage Understeer	RWDboy	Thu, 18 November 2004 01:31
	Re: Savage Understeer	Jonny2TG	Thu, 18 November 2004 02:37
	Re: Savage Understeer	Jonny2TG	Thu, 18 November 2004 02:46
	Re: Savage Understeer	ae86slaver	Thu, 18 November 2004 02:48
	Re: Savage Understeer	Bobski	Thu, 18 November 2004 02:49
	Re: Savage Understeer	RWDboy	Thu, 18 November 2004 03:06
	Re: Savage Understeer	ae86slaver	Thu, 18 November 2004 02:51
	Re: Savage Understeer	Bobski	Thu, 18 November 2004 03:35
	Re: Savage Understeer	RWDboy	Thu, 18 November 2004 03:46
	Re: Savage Understeer	AE86slut	Thu, 18 November 2004 04:30
	Re: Savage Understeer	Bobski	Thu, 18 November 2004 09:39
	Re: Savage Understeer	RWDboy	Thu, 18 November 2004 16:10

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