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Jonny2TG Forums Junkie Location: Tasmania Registered: May 2002	Re: Savage Understeer Thu, 18 November 2004 02:37 This is very interesting to me, but I disagree which half of what has been said, mostly towards the top of the list... I have a standard AE86 Sprinter. I am going to make a webpage listing all exact measurments of the suspension on the famous AE86. And will attempt to explain exactly why the AE86 handles like it does. I think alot of it is to do with bump steer, or toe deviation with suspension travel at the front. Also the angle of the rear 4 links effectively can give a little rear-steer action. RCA blocks are something you may want on a lowered car, but most people don't realy understand how or why they work. Its very complex. I believe RCA blocks would be a refinement, not a cure to a big problem. I think my standard Sprinter feels very neutral. You can drive it hard around a corner with very little steering movement and it just goes where you steer it, mostly. I wouldn't say in natrualy understeers, not compared to other cars. I have had my stock AE86 around a race track, and even with 4AC-open diff, I was sweeping the corners with controlled oversteer. My car: AE86 Sprinter new shocks, cheap polyurathane bushes, most joints stock springs, 13" wheels about 3 degrees caster, stock camber zero toe-in no strut brace or anything like that The car now needs a locked or 2-way diff I don't think there is much wrong with chopped springs. People that scare you against it don't give much explanation. And those are the people that shouldn't chop springs because they don't understand how far to go. I would sooner chop my springs than waste money on new lowered ones, but then again I don't want to lower my car realy that much. A chopped stock spring will have a stiffer rate, in theory, but the difference is very small. The chopped spring is still soft, as are most lowering springs. The height does not matter much to me. If I was buying different springs, it would be for a stiffer rate. I will be buying 6kg/4kg/mm springs sometime soon. But soft springs does not equal bad handling, depends on the tyres you have. Whitchy: Maybe you should try RCA blocks and a wheel alignment. You want toe in at about zero, and its probably toed in too much now if it understeers. The RCA blocks will change the bump steer and reduce understeer. [Report message to a moderator]

	Subject	Poster	Date
	Savage Understeer	WHITCHY	Thu, 11 November 2004 10:30
	Re: Savage Understeer	mrshin	Thu, 11 November 2004 10:36
	Re: Savage Understeer	Nark	Thu, 11 November 2004 10:37
	Re: Savage Understeer	4ageeza	Thu, 11 November 2004 10:46
	Re: Savage Understeer	Nark	Thu, 11 November 2004 10:53
	Re: Savage Understeer	EMP-2TG	Thu, 11 November 2004 11:06
	Re: Savage Understeer	gianttomato	Thu, 11 November 2004 19:54
	Re: Savage Understeer	rob_RA40	Thu, 11 November 2004 21:32
	Re: Savage Understeer	AE86slut	Thu, 11 November 2004 21:54
	Re: Savage Understeer	rob_RA40	Thu, 11 November 2004 22:21
	Re: Savage Understeer	AE86slut	Fri, 12 November 2004 02:35
	Re: Savage Understeer	ra23celica	Fri, 12 November 2004 02:48
	Re: Savage Understeer	AE86slut	Fri, 12 November 2004 02:59
	Re: Savage Understeer	ra23celica	Fri, 12 November 2004 03:48
	Re: Savage Understeer	AE86slut	Fri, 12 November 2004 06:21
	Re: Savage Understeer	ra23celica	Fri, 12 November 2004 06:42
	Re: Savage Understeer	ae86slaver	Fri, 12 November 2004 08:58
	Re: Savage Understeer	Nark	Sat, 13 November 2004 03:29
	Re: Savage Understeer	4ageeza	Sat, 13 November 2004 06:05
	Re: Savage Understeer	Nark	Sat, 13 November 2004 23:34
	Re: Savage Understeer	ae86slaver	Sun, 14 November 2004 01:57
	Re: Savage Understeer	Nark	Sun, 14 November 2004 22:37
	Re: Savage Understeer	ae86slaver	Sun, 14 November 2004 23:28
	Re: Savage Understeer	rob_RA40	Fri, 12 November 2004 03:11
	Re: Savage Understeer	ae86slaver	Fri, 12 November 2004 04:25
	Re: Savage Understeer	davedave	Fri, 12 November 2004 04:26
	Re: Savage Understeer	dcleyne	Fri, 12 November 2004 01:04
	Re: Savage Understeer	4agte	Fri, 12 November 2004 02:34
	Re: Savage Understeer	4agte	Fri, 12 November 2004 03:02
	Re: Savage Understeer	ra23celica	Fri, 12 November 2004 03:57
	Re: Savage Understeer	4ageeza	Fri, 12 November 2004 03:37
	Re: Savage Understeer	bathurst-91	Fri, 12 November 2004 04:30
	Re: Savage Understeer	Nark	Fri, 12 November 2004 05:13
	Re: Savage Understeer	WHITCHY	Fri, 12 November 2004 05:03
	Re: Savage Understeer	ae86drift	Fri, 12 November 2004 08:40
	Re: Savage Understeer	ae86slaver	Fri, 12 November 2004 05:06
	Re: Savage Understeer	4ageeza	Fri, 12 November 2004 07:20
	Re: Savage Understeer	ra23celica	Fri, 12 November 2004 07:40
	Re: Savage Understeer	4ageeza	Fri, 12 November 2004 07:45
	Re: Savage Understeer	AE86slut	Fri, 12 November 2004 08:53
	Re: Savage Understeer	ae86drift	Fri, 12 November 2004 08:31
	Re: Savage Understeer	4ageeza	Fri, 12 November 2004 09:05
	Re: Savage Understeer	AE86slut	Fri, 12 November 2004 09:12
	Re: Savage Understeer	ae86drift	Fri, 12 November 2004 09:17
	Re: Savage Understeer	indigoid	Fri, 12 November 2004 10:57
	Re: Savage Understeer	ae86drift	Fri, 12 November 2004 14:09
	Re: Savage Understeer	takai	Fri, 12 November 2004 13:15
	Re: Savage Understeer	Simon-AE86	Fri, 12 November 2004 15:27
	Re: Savage Understeer	oldcorollas	Mon, 15 November 2004 02:56
	Re: Savage Understeer	Sam_Q	Tue, 16 November 2004 21:48
	Re: Savage Understeer	gianttomato	Tue, 16 November 2004 22:33
	Re: Savage Understeer	Sam_Q	Wed, 17 November 2004 01:28
	Re: Savage Understeer	davedave	Tue, 16 November 2004 22:33
	Re: Savage Understeer	rob_RA40	Sat, 13 November 2004 00:12
	Re: Savage Understeer	Classique71	Sat, 13 November 2004 02:23
	Re: Savage Understeer	joecoolmk2	Sun, 14 November 2004 02:02
	Re: Savage Understeer	RWDboy	Mon, 15 November 2004 01:01
	Re: Savage Understeer	shinybluesteel	Mon, 15 November 2004 01:22
	Re: Savage Understeer	koen	Mon, 15 November 2004 01:32
	Re: Savage Understeer	Bobski	Mon, 15 November 2004 02:27
	Re: Savage Understeer	rob_RA40	Tue, 16 November 2004 22:26
	Re: Savage Understeer	rob_RA40	Wed, 17 November 2004 01:30
	Re: Savage Understeer	Sam_Q	Wed, 17 November 2004 01:32
	Re: Savage Understeer	EvilJack	Wed, 17 November 2004 02:32
	Re: Savage Understeer	Bobski	Wed, 17 November 2004 03:21
	Re: Savage Understeer	Sam_Q	Wed, 17 November 2004 06:32
	Re: Savage Understeer	RWDboy	Wed, 17 November 2004 06:43
	Re: Savage Understeer	indigoid	Wed, 17 November 2004 08:56
	Re: Savage Understeer	TurboRA28	Wed, 17 November 2004 06:50
	Re: Savage Understeer	RWDboy	Wed, 17 November 2004 06:52
	Re: Savage Understeer	Corona RT142	Wed, 17 November 2004 09:06
	Re: Savage Understeer	Flem	Wed, 17 November 2004 09:12
	Re: Savage Understeer	Bobski	Wed, 17 November 2004 13:18
	Re: Savage Understeer	RWDboy	Thu, 18 November 2004 01:19
	Re: Savage Understeer	AE86slut	Thu, 18 November 2004 03:40
	Re: Savage Understeer	RWDboy	Thu, 18 November 2004 01:31
	Re: Savage Understeer	Jonny2TG	Thu, 18 November 2004 02:37
	Re: Savage Understeer	Jonny2TG	Thu, 18 November 2004 02:46
	Re: Savage Understeer	ae86slaver	Thu, 18 November 2004 02:48
	Re: Savage Understeer	Bobski	Thu, 18 November 2004 02:49
	Re: Savage Understeer	RWDboy	Thu, 18 November 2004 03:06
	Re: Savage Understeer	ae86slaver	Thu, 18 November 2004 02:51
	Re: Savage Understeer	Bobski	Thu, 18 November 2004 03:35
	Re: Savage Understeer	RWDboy	Thu, 18 November 2004 03:46
	Re: Savage Understeer	AE86slut	Thu, 18 November 2004 04:30
	Re: Savage Understeer	Bobski	Thu, 18 November 2004 09:39
	Re: Savage Understeer	RWDboy	Thu, 18 November 2004 16:10

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