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Hodgie Regular Location: brisbane Registered: February 2004	Re: 3S-GE into TA22 research (renamed thread) (Please move to tech & conversions) Tue, 04 January 2005 01:05 Well, after doing a bit of research on these forums (yes, I am now very familiar with the "search" function on the forum), I have come up with a fair bit more info. I'll put it here in case anybody else is trying to track down the same info. Sorry for not including names of those responsible for the posts from which the following extracts come, but if you know who you are I owe you much thanks. - Here is a bit of info I'v been putting together , not finnished yet but it may help . My conversion putting a 3SGTE into a TA22 Celica Motor 3SGTE out of ST165 Celica Gearbox W57 Bellhousing 2S from SA 63 Celica Sump 2S Oil Pickup 2S Flywheel 2S Clutch/presure plate 2S Starter 2S Alternator bracket 2S Engine Mounts 2S/2T Turbo ST165 Group A Exhaust Manifold Custom Inlet Menifold Custom Computer Haltech E6S Diff Hilux LSD Intercooler ST185 Celica ( Air to Air ) Coils Direct Fire from 4AGZE Cam Covers ST162 3SGE Radiator TA22 Fuel Pump VL Turbo Tail Shaft Custom Fan Thermo Exhaust 2 1/2" mandral 1/ Flywheel The 3SGTE flywheel sits closer to the block than the rear wheel drive 2S which means the input shaft does not sit into the sprigot bearing , the throughout bearing near hangs off the guide tube and the clutch plate does not slide onto the input shaft spline far enough , also the ringgear has a larger diameter than the 2S so the starter would need to be moved outwards about 5mm . The 2S flywheel has a 6 bolt pattern and the 3SGTE has a 8 bolt pattern , so what I did was redrilled the 2S flywheel to 8 bolt , to do this I tapped 4 of the holes with a 1/2 unf thread and pluged these with 1/2 unf allthread , 2 of the holes in the 2S flywheel already line up and another 2 can be clean drilled but the other 4 holes come half and half so pluging these made it posible to redrill . I have been told the 3SGTE clutch , presure plate & flywheel can be used by getting about 5mm machined off the face of the bellhousing ( this 5mm machining does not fix the starter problem as the starter needs to be moved outwards from the crank ). 2/ Intake Manifold The intake manifold sits to high and will not alow the bonnet to close , I cut the manifold about 90mm from the face and welded on a new plenum made out of 3" thick wall aluminium tube and fitted the throttle body at the front aiming down a little , I cut a hole between the radiator and headlight for the intercooler plumbing to connect to the throttle body . 3/ Exhaust Manifold The original manifold cannot be used as the starter is in the way of the turbo and the turbo would also be sitting back to front . I made a manifold out of 1 1/4" steam pipe and bends . I made the dump out of 15mm plate and 3" mandrel pipe , this 3" dump extends down to just under the car an than reduces to 2 1/2 mandrel for the rest of the exhaust system with a 3" straight through stainless muffler behind the diff . I faced the compressor outlet down towards the bottom and made the plumbing to exit through the bottom of the radiator support panel where I had cut a hole and connect to the ST185 intercooler . 4/ Engine Mounts The 2S mounts bolt onto the left side of the block but on the right side there is only two holes in the block so I bolted the mount onto these two holes and welded some brackets onto the rear side of the mount which extended towards the back of the block where there is another two holes . I drilled out the spot welds on the mounting plates on the crossmember so these mounting plates can be moved , I bolted the rubber mounts to the mounting plates then modified the 2S mounts as for the TA22 rubber mounts would bolt onto them , now with the mounts bolted up I positioned the motor to where it had to sit then rewelded the mounting plates back onto the crossmember , The correct position for the motor is about 85 to 90mm measured from the rear of the head to the firewall and with about 20mm clearance from the sump to the crossmember . 5/ Alternator I used the alternator bracket off the 2S which sits on the r/h side under the intake , the 2S alt mount will need a bit grinded off the bottom to bolt on . 6/ Cooling system I used the TA22 radiator but had to move the top spout to the left side then used a long hose to go to the rear of the motor where I had made a rear water outlet out of 1 1/4 " steam bends and pipe , this outlet consists of a 90 degree facing out to the left then 90 upwards and then another 90 to face the outlet forward at a hight to run the hose along the side of the cam cover , I brassed a couple of fittings into this outlet and fitted the temp gauge sender and the water temp sensor , I searched around and found a couple of hoses and a stainless joiner to make the bottom hose . Then fitted a thermo fan to the radiator . 7/ Ignition System The original distributor can be used by just removing the cap and rotor button then cutting the rotor button shaft off level with the pickup rotor and making a short cover to fit back on , this will give enough clearance to the firewall , the cover must be made of a non magnetic material such as aluminium or plastic as not to upset the magnetic pickups . the distributor can now be used and configured with an aftermarket ECU to run direct fire system , I used two direct fire coils from a 4AGZE and two toyota igniters , I bolted a length of 1' RHS between the shocky towers and mounted the coils off this . - with the 3SGE/GTE The FWD to RWD part shouldn't be that big a deal to scare you off, as long as you have access to sump, engine mounts and bellhousing from a ST142 (?) corona with a 2SC/E. - the W55, W57 and W58 will mount to the TA22 Auto xmember using the W50 RA23 mount (you can use the factory W55 etc mount but ti has a locating plate on the bottom of it that either needs to be cut off or preferably cut a hole for it in the Auto xmember) Attaching the Xmember to the chassis may be an issue some say it bolts straight up others say it sits a tad to far back ! Once again, thank you to the people who provided the info shown above. PS. Alot of the above info pertains to the 3S-GTE swap so if it is irrelevant to the 3S-GE swap, please tell me and I will remove it to prevent any confusion or misinformation. Cheers. [Report message to a moderator]

	Subject	Poster	Date
	3S-GE into TA22 research (renamed thread)	Hodgie	Sat, 01 January 2005 13:51
	Re: Scrap 2TG/3T idea and go with 3S-GE Beams?	Cool1	Sat, 01 January 2005 13:56
	Re: Scrap 2TG/3T idea and go with 3S-GE Beams? (Please move to tech & conversions)	Hodgie	Sun, 02 January 2005 06:34
	Re: Scrap 2TG/3T idea and go with 3S-GE Beams? (Please move to tech & conversions)	Hodgie	Mon, 03 January 2005 02:42
	3S-GE into TA22 research (renamed thread) (Please move to tech & conversions)	Hodgie	Mon, 03 January 2005 13:42
	Re: 3S-GE into TA22 research (renamed thread) (Please move to tech & conversions)	Hodgie	Mon, 03 January 2005 13:55
	Re: 3S-GE into TA22 research (renamed thread) (Please move to tech & conversions)	RobST162	Tue, 04 January 2005 01:05
	Re: 3S-GE into TA22 research (renamed thread) (Please move to tech & conversions)	Hodgie	Tue, 04 January 2005 01:05
	Re: 3S-GE into TA22 research (renamed thread)	rokusan	Tue, 04 January 2005 06:53
	Re: 3S-GE into TA22 research (renamed thread)	Cool1	Tue, 04 January 2005 07:09
	Re: 3S-GE into TA22 research (renamed thread)	rokusan	Tue, 04 January 2005 10:42
	Re: 3S-GE into TA22 research (renamed thread)	Cool1	Tue, 04 January 2005 10:43
	Re: 3S-GE into TA22 research (renamed thread)	foxtail	Wed, 05 January 2005 06:57
	Re: 3S-GE into TA22 research (renamed thread)	rokusan	Wed, 05 January 2005 10:30
	Re: 3S-GE into TA22 research (renamed thread)	Hodgie	Wed, 12 January 2005 04:25
	Re: 3S-GE into TA22 research (renamed thread)	Hodgie	Sun, 03 April 2005 22:23
	Re: 3S-GE into TA22 research (renamed thread)	smt_007	Sun, 03 April 2005 23:55
	Re: 3S-GE into TA22 research (renamed thread)	Hodgie	Mon, 04 April 2005 04:36
	Re: 3S-GE into TA22 research (renamed thread)	domasik	Mon, 04 April 2005 04:54
	Re: 3S-GE into TA22 research (renamed thread)	Hodgie	Mon, 04 April 2005 22:05
	Re: 3S-GE into TA22 research (renamed thread)	Hodgie	Mon, 04 April 2005 22:07
	Re: 3S-GE into TA22 research (renamed thread)	domasik	Sat, 09 April 2005 06:10
	Re: 3S-GE into TA22 research (renamed thread)	Alchemist	Sat, 09 April 2005 10:37
	Re: 3S-GE into TA22 research (renamed thread)	domasik	Sun, 17 April 2005 00:16
	Re: 3S-GE into TA22 research (renamed thread)	Hodgie	Fri, 13 May 2005 10:36

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