I have some brand spankin ROH 'Chicane' 16's. I got them made to suit an ra23 so they are spot on with the offset so no spacers required. They are celica stud pattern 4x114.3 and have never been used. Personally would rather 16's than 17's on an old skool celica. Check out www.roh.com.au. Looking for around $2200 as they are brand spankin new with new rubber. Im in syd.