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Blown86 Regular Location: Perth Registered: July 2002	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE Thu, 03 March 2005 13:50 Been playing with cars on the road and track for 20+ years and I only heard of this Kg/mm stuff fairly recently when I started checking out Jap stuff, not that it matters. Some of you blokes who think stiff is best should read some suspension books and gain an understanding of what suspension is used for. Some of the rates you are talking about are approaching open wheel race car with downforce numbers. Saying it's all about shock control is not correct, unless you race in cars that are restricted to stock road springs where there is no choice other than drive weight transfer, balance and grip with the shocks. Shock valving should be to suit the springs that give the best grip and balance not the other way round. In some instances the shocks will barely provide dampening with such stiff springs. I wonder if some of this "streetability" talked about with stiff springs is because the chassis is flexing? A Formula Ford is a classic example of a car that although low powered is extremely quick due to chassis balance and handling. The general rule for a FF is run the softest springs you can at the optimum ride height and then adjust the roll bars and shocks to suit. Why should it be any different for an AE86?? IMHO to drive an overly stiff car on the road is dumb - you have removed grip from the car and compromised the ability of the car to deal with varying road conditions. A good recipe for disaster. [Report message to a moderator]

	Subject	Poster	Date
	Tien HA vs Tien HE	MR 1JZ	Wed, 02 March 2005 13:48
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	Simon-AE86	Wed, 02 March 2005 14:05
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	MR 1JZ	Thu, 03 March 2005 01:11
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	bbaacchhyy	Thu, 03 March 2005 01:20
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	bbaacchhyy	Wed, 02 March 2005 20:41
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	MR 1JZ	Thu, 03 March 2005 02:04
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	bbaacchhyy	Thu, 03 March 2005 02:12
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	AE86slut	Thu, 03 March 2005 02:28
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	MR 1JZ	Thu, 03 March 2005 02:39
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	MR 1JZ	Thu, 03 March 2005 02:31
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	Simon-AE86	Thu, 03 March 2005 02:09
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	bbaacchhyy	Thu, 03 March 2005 02:29
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	AE86slut	Thu, 03 March 2005 02:30
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	Simon-AE86	Thu, 03 March 2005 02:41
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	ae86drift	Thu, 03 March 2005 02:45
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	bbaacchhyy	Thu, 03 March 2005 02:51
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	AE86slut	Thu, 03 March 2005 02:58
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	bbaacchhyy	Thu, 03 March 2005 03:11
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	Yian	Fri, 04 March 2005 04:25
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	MR 1JZ	Fri, 04 March 2005 04:34
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	AE86slut	Thu, 03 March 2005 03:32
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	nabs478	Thu, 03 March 2005 09:31
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	MR 1JZ	Thu, 03 March 2005 11:11
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	takai	Thu, 03 March 2005 12:04
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	Simon-AE86	Thu, 03 March 2005 12:11
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	ae86drift	Thu, 03 March 2005 12:39
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	takai	Thu, 03 March 2005 12:41
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	ae86drift	Thu, 03 March 2005 12:47
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	takai	Thu, 03 March 2005 12:50
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	MR 1JZ	Thu, 03 March 2005 12:58
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	Blown86	Thu, 03 March 2005 13:50
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	bbaacchhyy	Thu, 03 March 2005 20:47
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	Blown86	Thu, 03 March 2005 22:51
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	bbaacchhyy	Thu, 03 March 2005 22:55
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	ed_ma61	Fri, 04 March 2005 02:41
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	EldarO	Fri, 04 March 2005 02:24
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	bbaacchhyy	Fri, 04 March 2005 02:31
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	MR 1JZ	Fri, 04 March 2005 02:57
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	bbaacchhyy	Fri, 04 March 2005 03:39
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	MR 1JZ	Fri, 04 March 2005 03:52
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	Simon-AE86	Fri, 04 March 2005 04:36
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	MR 1JZ	Fri, 04 March 2005 04:39
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	Blown86	Fri, 04 March 2005 10:55
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	Yian	Fri, 04 March 2005 21:11
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	hamgatan	Tue, 22 March 2005 06:34
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	MR 1JZ	Tue, 22 March 2005 09:48
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	hamgatan	Thu, 24 March 2005 01:43
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	MR 1JZ	Thu, 24 March 2005 03:23
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	hamgatan	Thu, 24 March 2005 05:11
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	Driftspec	Thu, 24 March 2005 03:16
	Re: Tien HA vs Tien HE	MR 1JZ	Thu, 24 March 2005 05:38

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