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Re: For Toyota, Vote Here! RWD? or FWD?

Sat, 02 April 2005 20:23

toof wrote on Fri, 01 April 2005 19:11

ae86drift wrote on Fri, 01 April 2005 18:25

toyota already make a lot of FR cars

toyota austrailia just dont import them

but nothing *small* and rwd.. only the bigger saloons seem to be getting the rwd treatment...

i can see it being increasingly difficult to make a production price car under the 1000kg mark. current saftey standards require such a list of stuff that add so much weight, along with the list of consumer demands, electric everything, half decent stereo, ac etc etc. put the pricing into perspective. toyota's small sports car is the celica/mr2 $45,000 the *average* consumer refuses to pay $45k for somehting that is a tin shell with a motor... i on the other hand if i had 45k would consider it, as im sure alot of toymodders would too. but to the *average* consumer it is almost unheard of.

i think the reign of the *affordable* small sports car is over at least for the time being. look at everything in the sub 80k bracket. all larger cars (with the exception of mx5, celica, mr2) all other *quickish* cars are "hot hatches" i can only see this continuing.

as i see this comes from a variety of factors the "wank factor" so many people say to me and im sure other people have got it as well the "fast car is only cause you have a small dick" , "cant you get girls without the car" , "but you can only drive 110km/h anyway" i feel its no point in arguing with these people as they quite obviously dont understand the enjoyment of driivng a sports car. so its not particularty fashionable to have a *sports car* so people are pushed into purchasing cars that are *quick or quickish* but dont come across as a sports car. hence the hot hatch market increasing so much.

now dont flame me over this.

more women have a say in new car purchases now then ever before. it is something like >90% of car purchases a female has an influencing factor in the purchase. go look up the stats it is around that figure. at the same time women are a minority in the purchases of sports cars. i remember reading a few years back an interview with a porsche big wig who said something to the effect of "we dont consider women when we design our cars" and the reasoning behind this was that only a tiny fraction of their market was women. (something like 8% iirc)
so with more women influencing purchasing decisions and women not wanting sports cars the "comprimise cars" are getting a good foot in the door. ie: family sedan with a bit of grunt, hot hatches or even worse "the i try to look like a sports car but i have 1.5L of SOHC fury stopped by drum brakes and held up by leaf springs. oh but its got a factory spoiler" family of cars.

i know of two specific occasions where someones wife has quelled the sports car. one - guy has an mx5 loves the sports car feel, swears he'll keep it after getting married, says he;ll get a run around if need be. wife ends up forcing him to sell the mx5 and but a laser. end result - woman killing sports car. he is crushed that he no longer has a sports car and is stuck driving a boring car.

second occasion, married couple, adult children left home and independant. husband has always wanted a sports car but never been in a paractile position or finiancial position to buy one but now is. wife approves but sets a list of conditions, she ends up choosing an astra convertable. non turbo becasue the turbo is too fast. again another man wanting a sports car but unable to buy one becasue of a demon wife. (ok perhaps exagerating) but still one potential sports car sold but not becasue of a female purchasing influence.

im not saying all women are like this. infact this forum has quite a number that arnt. hell my own home has one that isnt. my gf has an aw11, the only batte over sports cars we ahve is which one of our aw11's (his and hers mr2's) gets the big shed (casue the small one leaks and gets the car dirty). but the bottom line is that there are more women that will prevent a sports car purchase then encourage it.

at least for the moment the face of affordable sports cars is different and will probaly be for quite some time.

I think you are right to a degree. I am in the same position myself. I bought a 2003 corolla as a new car, because I thougt it would be a good car for my wife to drive, as she likes something nippy but doesn't care to much for handling. However when it comes to getting our second car, I am starting to lean towards getting something small and econical instead of a GT4 or MR2. I think women don't necessarily push for anon sports car, us stupid married guys just hink about the women to much, and get somthing they would like with just a bit of extra power.

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