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Esteban Regular Location: Brisbane - Chapel Hill Registered: June 2002	Re: Boycott Ethanol Outlets Wed, 11 December 2002 23:23 Bah, re: getting old cars off the road. Thats a crock of shit. I remember a report where a silly young bitch had taken the paint off her "old" car with 10% eth mix. Well, she'd spilt fuel all the way down the side of her car, and then left it in the sun all day. WTF does she expect? any fuel will do that to an old car ... stupid bitch As for component damage. Alcohol isnt caustic. It isnt an oxidising agent! We drink it FFS! It's a great fuel additive. And what's more, I'd be more inclined to say that the detergents in newer fuels are more likely to ruin parts of old cars. High concentrations (which is what the debate was about if you watched the only station that MADE THAT POINT --> the ABC) can be a problem, since higher concentrations of an additive to increase octane ultimately reach a point (as is my understanding) where there is too much additive and not enough fuel ... hence sluggish performance etc. Combined with this lower calorific value of ethanol, people aren't tuning their cars for it, esp CARBS, and as such, will see poorer performance, (unless they meter it up a bit to combat the lower energy per uni of fuel, of course) As for evidence that it causes "component failure" etc, I can't see how a modern, High Pressure EFi system, would stumble on the lower percentages of alcohol. Sure, high concentrations, can weaken some plastics (eg EFi hose) which could be a significant problem, but that is at concentrations of 50% or more at least!?! It's all turned into a big political debate, and the benefits of alcohol additives have been slandered in the process, by idiot Current Affairs programs like "Extra" and "Today Tonight" Bravo to the Media [Report message to a moderator]

	Subject	Poster	Date
	Boycott Ethanol Outlets	Toy_Boy	Wed, 11 December 2002 02:21
	Re: Boycott Ethanol Outlets	THE WITZL	Wed, 11 December 2002 02:34
	Re: Boycott Ethanol Outlets	mrsmart	Wed, 11 December 2002 10:27
	Re: Boycott Ethanol Outlets	biased99	Wed, 11 December 2002 23:04
	Re: Boycott Ethanol Outlets	Esteban	Wed, 11 December 2002 23:23
	Re: Boycott Ethanol Outlets	wilbo666	Thu, 12 December 2002 00:29
	Re: Boycott Ethanol Outlets	biased99	Thu, 12 December 2002 05:48
	Re: Boycott Ethanol Outlets	mrsmart	Thu, 12 December 2002 08:34
	Re: Boycott Ethanol Outlets	Rolla Boy	Thu, 12 December 2002 11:05
	Re: Boycott Ethanol Outlets	Toobs	Thu, 12 December 2002 11:32
	Re: Boycott Ethanol Outlets	gt20v	Fri, 13 December 2002 11:50
	Re: Boycott Ethanol Outlets	gt20v	Tue, 17 December 2002 23:58
	Re: Boycott Ethanol Outlets	THE WITZL	Wed, 18 December 2002 03:48
	Re: Boycott Ethanol Outlets	Toy_Boy	Wed, 18 December 2002 05:35
	Re: Boycott Ethanol Outlets	TA22-3SGTE	Wed, 18 December 2002 12:37
	Re: Boycott Ethanol Outlets	clubagreenie	Wed, 18 December 2002 04:32
	Re: Boycott Ethanol Outlets	AbaddonGZE	Thu, 19 December 2002 11:30
	Re: Boycott Ethanol Outlets	manipulate	Thu, 19 December 2002 12:14
	Re: Boycott Ethanol Outlets	BR1183	Fri, 20 December 2002 05:52
	Re: Boycott Ethanol Outlets	Toy_Boy	Tue, 24 December 2002 12:34
	Re: Boycott Ethanol Outlets	Julz	Tue, 24 December 2002 14:48

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