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SilverGhost Forums Junkie Location: Sydney Registered: September 2004	Re: anzac day Thu, 28 April 2005 09:40 rob_RA40 wrote on Thu, 28 April 2005 12:53 ANZAC day for me is a day where i get to ponder things like: do people really believe in this freedom bullshit? do people ever think for themselves instead of eating up all of the media spin? do people ever consider why there was a war and what it was about? (heres a hint, its not freedom) do people realise, while all patriotic, teary eyed and thinking about freedom, that WE INVADED THEM? stop the brainwashing and start thinking! how can you believe in freedom if you dont even understand the concept of it? but who fuckin cares anyways! im off to go partying in gallipoli! the ANZAC day pilgrimage is the new cool thing to do, i get to hang out will all the other people who believe in freedom and feel sorry for the diggers, hey u know what maybe i can pull a root while im there! 1. Yes I believe in the concept of freedom. However true freedom only lies in freedom of thought. even freedom of action is an illusion...but if we get down to this level of specifics it starts to sound like the marovingian out of the Matrix 'there is no freedom, just cause and effect' Unfortunately I find that question quite generalist and argumentative while not being specific in any way related to this topic. 2. I would dare say that as many people have independent opinions of ANZAC day as those who 'eat up the media spin' But, what media spin are you referring to? The glorifying of Australian youth that gave their lives for the service of their country? Whether you drill down into the real causes of the war or not the simple fact is that these people paid the ultimate price for an ideal that they believed in. (unfortunately I was not alive at the time so I cannot speak on behalf of the propaganda fuelling this belief) but it was a belief nonetheless. Noone can say that if Australia did not enter the war and make a pre emptive strike against a country fighting our allies we may not have been invaded ourselves. I dont think anyone who has not lived in that era can truly say with conviction what the political climate was at the time, or speak on Australias strategic value back then, but we must atleast acknowledge the possibility that Australia was a target, and we needed to attack first. 3. I would be the first one to agree that the true causes for war are not what is printed on newspapers or put on the radio. But the simple fact is that regardless of the true cause, enemy troops that are motivated by that cause are out to kill you, and apparently, your way of life so in that way it is a fight for freedom. What people must understand that curtailing of personal liberties through oppression is a very real thing. If it was truly impossible how do you explain prisons? 4. All I can say is that yes in physical terms it was an invasion of their borders, but an invasion infers attempting to take over the country without just cause in order to permanently occupy their country. Again I dont know the strategic value of Turkey, or gallipoli (maybe it was a vital supply route for our allies) but an attack needed to be made on their soil to weaken our enemy. In warfare you would be a fool not to invade your enemy to break their back and hence stand a better chance of winning, but one fact is that australia had no intention of staying in turkey once the war was over. Many other 'invading' cultures (mostly english ill admit) tend to linger and setup shop in their country, but Australia would have, and did leave once the war was over... 5. everyone understands the 'ideal' concept of freedom, and this long winded response was in no means an attempt to say that we all practice it or uphold it, but i think more creedence is owed fighting men and women who died for what they believe. Also it shows the world community that Australia, although young, wont back away from a fight, and we fight to the last man. Lest We Forget. [Report message to a moderator]

	Subject	Poster	Date
	anzac day	4DaDrift	Sun, 24 April 2005 05:37
	Re: anzac day	draven	Sun, 24 April 2005 05:45
	Re: anzac day	4DaDrift	Sun, 24 April 2005 05:56
	Re: anzac day	piggy	Sun, 24 April 2005 06:16
	Re: anzac day	bunkyT18	Wed, 27 April 2005 07:50
	Re: anzac day	gorgan	Wed, 27 April 2005 15:04
	Re: anzac day	old_mr2	Wed, 27 April 2005 15:41
	Re: anzac day	Tats	Thu, 28 April 2005 02:18
	Re: anzac day	RobST162	Thu, 28 April 2005 02:46
	Re: anzac day	rob_RA40	Thu, 28 April 2005 02:53
	Re: anzac day	RobST162	Thu, 28 April 2005 02:57
	Re: anzac day	SilverGhost	Thu, 28 April 2005 09:40
	Re: anzac day	sated	Thu, 12 May 2005 17:37
	Re: anzac day	BigBadBenny	Fri, 13 May 2005 13:12
	Re: anzac day	rob_RA40	Thu, 28 April 2005 03:19
	Re: anzac day	RobST162	Thu, 28 April 2005 03:35
	Re: anzac day	rob_RA40	Thu, 28 April 2005 03:53
	Re: anzac day	RobST162	Thu, 28 April 2005 03:58
	Re: anzac day	rob_RA40	Thu, 28 April 2005 04:12
	Re: anzac day	RobST162	Thu, 28 April 2005 04:23

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