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Re: Is 5 valve better than 4 valve?	Tue, 31 May 2005 07:41

Here is a 2zz-ge dyno graph from a chassis dyno, ZZE-123 corolla run in 4th gear. (note: same car run 6 mnths later on different dyno dynamics dyno in shootout mode got about 5kW more, and there were mods in between) Now at the 6000rpm "lift" point, its already making over 80kW at the front wheels. Compare that to my 4age making 70kW at 7000rpm on the same dyno on the same day..... note the speed differences, and calculating out the gear ratio differences so that RPM:speed match... the 2zz-ge makes the almost the SAME power at 6000rpm as what the 4age makes at 7000rpm..... and then the 2ZZ-GE hits the LIFT ZONE!! **NB: ingore the "trough", that's knock control taking over on my rattly arse old engine from the bin. 4th gear T50 box and 4.11:1 diff Now compare this to the following blacktop 20V in jasonp1977's old AE92, 4th gear on 5sp LSD 20v box. Now if the 20V configuration was such a MASSIVE IMPROVEMENT over a 16V design, then would we not be seeing a smaller gap between the 2zz and the 20V??? NOTE: all these engines are relatively stock and running stock ECUs. I know all these people and they can back up this data. [Updated on: Wed, 01 June 2005 07:02] [Report message to a moderator]

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Read Message Is 5 valve better than 4 valve? 170bhp Fri, 27 May 2005 12:54
Re: Is 5 valve better than 4 valve? Big T Fri, 27 May 2005 13:39
Re: Is 5 valve better than 4 valve? oldcorollas Fri, 27 May 2005 14:49
Re: Is 5 valve better than 4 valve? takai Fri, 27 May 2005 15:09
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Re: Is 5 valve better than 4 valve? takai Sat, 28 May 2005 00:26
Re: Is 5 valve better than 4 valve? CLG Sat, 28 May 2005 01:12
Re: Is 5 valve better than 4 valve? Jonny2TG Sat, 28 May 2005 01:42
Read Message Re: Is 5 valve better than 4 valve? 170bhp Sat, 28 May 2005 05:16
Re: Is 5 valve better than 4 valve? floody Tue, 31 May 2005 13:06
Re: Is 5 valve better than 4 valve? Bill Sherwood Sat, 28 May 2005 05:33
Re: Is 5 valve better than 4 valve? Henn Sat, 28 May 2005 05:41
Read Message Re: Is 5 valve better than 4 valve? Bill Sherwood Sat, 28 May 2005 05:48
Re: Is 5 valve better than 4 valve? Bill Sherwood Sat, 28 May 2005 05:46
Re: Is 5 valve better than 4 valve? 170bhp Sat, 28 May 2005 06:05
Re: Is 5 valve better than 4 valve? Bill Sherwood Sat, 28 May 2005 06:07
Read Message Re: Is 5 valve better than 4 valve? Acoustic Tue, 31 May 2005 16:03
Re: Is 5 valve better than 4 valve? 170bhp Sat, 28 May 2005 06:10
Re: Is 5 valve better than 4 valve? Bill Sherwood Sat, 28 May 2005 06:15
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Re: Is 5 valve better than 4 valve? shinybluesteel Sat, 28 May 2005 06:40
Re: Is 5 valve better than 4 valve? JFAllen Sat, 28 May 2005 07:28
Re: Is 5 valve better than 4 valve? 170bhp Sat, 28 May 2005 06:39
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Re: Is 5 valve better than 4 valve? Bill Sherwood Sun, 29 May 2005 01:29
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