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river Forums Junkie Location: Land of Oz Registered: June 2004	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts Wed, 01 June 2005 22:12 Hi, Good points. Perhaps I did not clarify myself when using the generic term of "large urban 4WD" vehicles. I understand some people require these vehicles to support their job or their hobbies. I have some friends who own such vehicles and one of them also has a boat and needs his vehicle to get the boat into and out of some pretty hairy boat-ramps. So be it. I don't have an issue with that. My other friends have large 4WD and when I asked them why they say "I feel safer. I know that if an accident happens that me and my family are safer." I then ask about the car they hit in such an accident. The response is always a shrug, followed by "Tough. I don't really care about them. I'm just looking out for my family first." As far as personal choice goes, it is somewhat limited by our current rules/regulations and costs. The introduction of ULP in 1986 and the subsequent removal of leaded petrol has taken a lot of old cars off the road. If you want to buy a luxury vehicle, then it costs you more (ie government tax). If you want to buy a non-Australian built vehicle then you pay extra tarrifs on your car. Vehicles over three years old are forced to get registration checks. So, our choice to own a car in excess of three years old is more expensive. The choice is still there, but it costs you more. If you read my initial post in this thread you'll see that I am not removing peoples choice in owning a large 4WD for their urban usage, I'm just making it much more expensive to own and operate one. The vast bulk of large 4WD that drive around on our sealed city and urban roads are not used for off-roading, nor work purposes (other than perhaps mere transport to get them to work and back), nor are they used for towing boats or other devices. In regards to powerful sports cars - I think they should be slugged if they're over a specific power/weight ratio. I agree with many people in regards to powerful cars in the hands of P-platers and I question the need to have (say) a 300kw engine in a small vehicle. In regards to modded vehicles, the insurance costs are very high, plus the engineering costs and although it doesn't stop them from doing this to their cars, they have to pay to get these things done. Again, it's not removing their choice, but their choice is costing them. Hyperthetically, I can see a future where the purchase of a hybrid vehicle could perhaps give you some form of rewards points or whatever. This would be to encourage people to have a more eco-friendly vehicle. Those that still choose to keep or purchase their normal petrol vehicles won't get any benefit. It won't stop us buying the non-hybrid, but our choice to do so will cost us more. I checked my previous post and used the term "removal of large 4WD" for city/urban usage. Let me quantify that by saying "make the cost of pure urban/city 4WD much more expensive". How many times should a 4WD go off-road before it is deemed as a necessary vehicle? I don't know. Maybe all 4WD vehicles, over a certain weight/size need to be registered in 4WD clubs. Maybe they have to attend x-number of meetings and do x-number of off-road trips per annum? Naturally, driver training for these vehicles would be a part of the package. I'm sure there are other things and ideas we could come up with, but it'd only be forum-talk (ie I am not a government official who can ratfiy any such changes), and I'm sure that whatever is suggested will earn the ire of some people. Ahhh, my old Celica. It's not a car that is encouraged to be on the road. There are only a handful of insurance companies that will insure the car. Parts are very hard to get and quite expensive. These things cost me. It doesn't stop me from having my car, but it does cost me to choose to keep and run it. If it was an old non-JDM GT then I probably would of sold it off many years ago. Currently I am not financial enough to buy a modern vehicle to replace the Celica for daily driving. As soon as I am I do intend to register it under the classic category and use it only for Club events. seeyuzz river [Report message to a moderator]

	Subject	Poster	Date
	4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	jackel	Mon, 30 May 2005 10:57
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	Rolla Boy	Mon, 30 May 2005 11:06
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	river	Mon, 30 May 2005 11:07
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	Ribfeast	Tue, 31 May 2005 07:06
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	riceburna73	Mon, 30 May 2005 11:11
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	paulw85	Mon, 30 May 2005 11:13
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	brodiepearce	Mon, 30 May 2005 11:13
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	4agte	Mon, 30 May 2005 11:22
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	bantech	Mon, 30 May 2005 11:23
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	1G-GTE KE70	Mon, 30 May 2005 12:34
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	shovelnose	Mon, 30 May 2005 12:59
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	jackel	Mon, 30 May 2005 13:18
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	paulw85	Mon, 30 May 2005 13:21
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	ROLLA GTi	Mon, 30 May 2005 13:55
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	Mookie	Tue, 31 May 2005 00:12
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	paulw85	Tue, 31 May 2005 00:16
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	Caledwvech	Tue, 31 May 2005 02:38
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	ra_28	Tue, 31 May 2005 03:08
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	stradlater	Tue, 31 May 2005 03:12
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	RobST162	Tue, 31 May 2005 03:51
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	Corona RT142	Tue, 31 May 2005 03:14
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	toof	Tue, 31 May 2005 03:45
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	monkeymajik	Tue, 31 May 2005 03:48
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	Corona RT142	Tue, 31 May 2005 03:49
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	ra_28	Tue, 31 May 2005 03:57
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	Corona RT142	Tue, 31 May 2005 03:52
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	monkeymajik	Tue, 31 May 2005 04:19
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	toof	Tue, 31 May 2005 04:00
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	stradlater	Tue, 31 May 2005 04:02
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	Corona RT142	Tue, 31 May 2005 04:05
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	ra_28	Tue, 31 May 2005 04:16
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	peeack	Tue, 31 May 2005 04:32
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	CrUZsida	Tue, 31 May 2005 04:40
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	RobST162	Tue, 31 May 2005 06:06
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	Shraka	Tue, 31 May 2005 04:43
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	Shraka	Tue, 31 May 2005 04:46
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	Skip	Tue, 31 May 2005 04:53
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	Caledwvech	Tue, 31 May 2005 06:12
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	river	Tue, 31 May 2005 06:42
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	RobST162	Tue, 31 May 2005 06:47
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	CrUZsida	Tue, 31 May 2005 07:02
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	Ribfeast	Tue, 31 May 2005 07:10
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	CrUZsida	Tue, 31 May 2005 07:23
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	skellator	Tue, 31 May 2005 08:21
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	bantech	Tue, 31 May 2005 07:16
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	river	Tue, 31 May 2005 07:51
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	Corona RT142	Tue, 31 May 2005 07:14
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	Ribfeast	Tue, 31 May 2005 11:56
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	CrUZsida	Tue, 31 May 2005 13:48
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	Corona RT142	Tue, 31 May 2005 07:16
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	CrUZsida	Tue, 31 May 2005 08:17
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	TOY77	Tue, 31 May 2005 08:38
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	CrUZsida	Tue, 31 May 2005 08:44
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	thu187	Tue, 31 May 2005 14:16
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	Hi-Ace	Tue, 31 May 2005 21:06
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	river	Tue, 31 May 2005 21:41
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	TOY77	Wed, 01 June 2005 09:12
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	dimmy77_03	Wed, 01 June 2005 14:27
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	river	Wed, 01 June 2005 22:12
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	Allan	Thu, 02 June 2005 02:45
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	ndgcpr	Thu, 02 June 2005 03:00
	Re: 4WD, should you need a special license to use em? give us ya thoughts	roids70	Thu, 02 June 2005 04:46

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