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Re: Need Legal Advice

Wed, 15 June 2005 00:32

thu187 wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 01:35

The reason it gets the amount of attention it gets is because it is unnecessary! In a murder, someone is killed. The intent is to kill and it is a criminal act. With speeding:
1. It CAN kill.
2. Most importantly it is avoidable and wreckless.
You don't HAVE to speed. Nobody is forcing you to. When these young people drive too fast (speed) and smash into poles and die it COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED. That's why speeding fatalaties are a tragedy. This is why there are so many anti-speeding campaigns. Believe it or not people don't want to be hit by your idiotic self travelling at 160km/h. If you want to die then that's your business. What would you like them to do? Bring on campaigns saying "Don't murder. It's not bad luck, it's a crime" ?
The reason they are telling people and warn people not to do it is because it is AVOIDABLE! If you need to get somewhere at a certain time and it's important then you should plan to leave early.

Sorry, I think the other things that are killing more people are not murder, actually it's more like influenza and hospital mal-practice, and these CAN BE AVOIDED.
No you don't bring in marketing campaign to stop murder, drugs and robbery etc. you put in more police investigation to catch and penalise the ones that are doing the intentional harm, I'm sure a rough figure will say much more than 50% of the police force is allocated to highway patrol, and the 400,000 speeders per year doesn't actually do any damage (as proven all over the world that people that actually get killed, are actually driving BELOW the limit and only 2-3% drive over the limit and gets killed, the other factors are alcohol and drugs, fatigue and inexperience)

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Now who is putting stupid things in whose mouth? First of all don't patronise me, you're probably the same age as I am.
Secondly people are brought up differently, that's true. We still know right from wrong.

Then isn't education more important than penalising people? So what do you think about the new complicated P-plates law? Will speed camera enforce these kind of law?

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I don't think you understand. Myself and others on this forum are not complaining that you drove 15 or 20km/h over the limit. You drove 80 f*cking kilometres over the limit and you think you can justify that? Are you telling me you can control your car perfectly at that speed? Why not get out on the track and show everyone then.
And where the hell where you going that required you to drive 80km/h over the speed limit? Answer me that.

WTF!!!! Go back and read through all the messages, all I've said previously was the road is probably supposed to be more than 80km/h, the speed limits on our roads are mostly set at the 50% percentile where only 50% of people comply, on a rough estimate, that road at 85% percentile should have been at least posted at 110km/h, would've meant he was actually around 35km/h over the maximum safe speed. And I would call that pure stupidity, which is what I said and what I labeled, which I said is a problem in the education of parents, peers, government, and primary schools & high schools. AND I'm not the one speeding, you confused bugger... Surprised

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Speeding DOES kill. People like you speed along and then a car pulls out and they're not able to stop in time or lose control and kill themselves. I'm not saying it happens all the time and speeding automatically means death (which you seem to think I mean).

Sure it does, and we have a system that targets 2% of bad drivers and penalise 98% of the good drivers, no wonder we gets so much infringement tickets every year! Isn't that surprising?

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At the end of the day 86tt, there are laws in this country.

I must say the laws are pretty much flawed and corrupted, leaving the justice to a machine and an individual police officers which certainly can be biased, machines that are very much less than 100% accurate, and you get the treatment of "guilty until proven innocent", which the court is so corrupted that they treat the speed cameras and laser guns 100% accurate doesn't matter what your driving record was, doesn't matter if you were a good driver to start with, the cops doesn't even have to show you the readings or prove to you that the readings was yours in the first place, ie. they could just stop you and accuse you of speeding 15km/h over the limit, I know most of them wouldn't, but what do you know? There's always bad apples. And in court, your mouth vs the police officers & the machines, the win rate is 0%, don't tell me this is not corrupted!

back to the point about responsibility to the driver, I give you an example, I used to be able to drive where I'll just know/feel that I'm driving at 60km/h, and don't have to look at the speedo and I'm 95% very accurate, and when there's traffic, I'll just go with the flow of the traffic.
Since the speed enforcement comes in, I can't risk not to look at the speedo, I'll get my eyes looking at the roads ahead, checking for hazards, checking side roads, driveway, right hand side streets where people can bolt out, rear mirror, checking for traffic on left and right lanes, making sure I notice people that change lanes when their lane ends, or when they have cars turning right when they will just change to your lane, checking blind spots, making sure I leave enough buffer on the left, right front and back... Then the hard bit comes in, I have to try to read the speed, get my eyes adjusted to the different light condition, get it to "focus" which takes 1/2 a second at least, then read and confirm the speed, which takes another 1/2 second, then when I look back to the traffic in front, it'll take my eyes to focus again which takes another 1/2 second, that's almost 1.5 seconds that I haven't been looking at the traffic, at 60km/h, this is like having an extra 1.5 seconds reaction time, what does this equate to blood alcohol level? 0.08? Speed limits and speedos should only be used as an indicator, posted speed limits should be useful and accurate to assist new drivers, but when it's enforced blindly, it causes chaos, accidents, confusion, and mostly breakdown of the police-public relations and respect. Why haven't the road toll rate gone down although emergency and medical treatment and car safety have improved so much over the last decades and a half?

[Updated on: Wed, 15 June 2005 00:34]

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