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Re: Need Legal Advice

Thu, 16 June 2005 06:14

[quote title=HSV_gal wrote on Thu, 16 June 2005 13:51]
OK
A: I know of 5 people( that I actually know) in the last 8 years that I have lived in Sydney that have been hit by cars travelling at the right speed and servived. one of them being a 2 yr old child.

I'd like to see a 2 year old get hit at the right speed: 50km/h and survive Surprised

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ALso it is clearly obvious that you do not have children.
It is not a matter of letting them play on roads, but how many children do as the are told 24/7???? Not one.. it is not in their nature. and considering I have a 2 yr old that has been brought up in this club and thinks that cars or cool and great to play with, he has no fear of the road what so ever, so just getting him to the park is sometimes a life altering experence.
Children are unpredictable and they don't carry big neon signs telling people what they are about to do next.

No, they are unpredictable, but if it's hard enough to keep them under watch, and make sure that you teach them from day 1, that it's an absolute NO NO NO!!! to get near the road, and keep them indoor or strapped (I see kids being strapped.. Very Happy

) if necessary, then you must be the one responsible, you don't try to change the roads so people will survive the crash, you change the roads to prevent the crash!

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yes I do beleive that the fines are revenue raising, but if you get off your high horse and thing about where that money does actually go in some ways it is actually good for the country.

Yeah, it goes to some scum somewhere in the politician chain, where they earn huge amount of amount and gets transported in helicopters.

2003 Statistics, 368,000 infringements for technically speeding over the artifical posted speed limits up to 15km/h, revenue raised $48 million, and this in only fines for 15km/h under, which didn't include your 18km/h over the limit... Wink

That's a lot of extra tax to collect of the taxpayers of NSW!

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Drivers-speed- up-to-go-with-the-flow/2005/02/16/1108500158431.ht ml

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SMH: Only 54 per cent of men supported increased fines to reduce speeding, compared with 71 per cent of women

Emotions affects women more than men...

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Hell to too long ago I got a rather nasty fine which i would not of got if the clock in my car was at the right time and not 5 minutes fast. 58 in a 40 zone 9:28 am. Road is normally a 60 zone outside school hours and I had 2 mins and I would of been doing under the speed limit. but hey almost $400 and 3 point later. but hell.. in the end it was my fault.

Point is if you don't want to pay the fine then don't do the crime.

wonder how much out of pocket would you be if you were fined for every 5km/h that you accidently went over the limit, laws in a democracy world are designed to be fair, if tomorrow you wake up, and found all the main roads have turned into 20km zones and maximum speed limit is 30km/h even on every major highway, you will think that it is ok? Will the road toll become 0? How many more people will be fined? 368,000 infringements issued for up to 15km/h over in 1 year, isn't there something wrong? Did we have 368,000 crazy speed demons in NSW in 1 year?

This is like luring everyone in Australia to drive, and although research (the real research, not those dodgy ones that says every 5km/h over doubles your risk of having a serious crash) have shown that speed doesn't directly kills, but they decided to enforce speeding over the artifical limit, just because there's so much money to be made, and everyone in the city have depended so much upon driving their cars, and the public transport is nothing more than crap, they can't go to the places they need to go without driving, now they've got no choice but to drive on, although u know the road is dangerous, and highway robbery is unavoidable, is this your ideal world?

anyway, all these information can only be absorbed if you've got an open mind, u have to understand accident and death is not as simple as the magic speed limit, it'll never will be, one static speed limit will never be the right speed limit for all conditions (weather, amount of traffic, flow of traffic all matters)

(speed limit x risk ratio based on driving conditions x drivers skills x time spent on the trip x performance of vehicle = accident rate) death rate is a very complicated number derived mostly from luck, and the construction of the vehicle, I'm sure you've seen race car driver crashing at 200km/h and come out walking... so the conclusion, accident rate can only be 0 @ 0km/h

accident rate can only be 0% @ 0km/h, don't let the media fool you, but the lowest accident/death rate comes from places where speed limits aren't strictly enforced, but driving skills/standards are strict..

EDIT: sorry forgot to include a very important variable in the above formula, and that is "1 / amount of attention being allocated to the roads ahead" which includes if the driver is attentive, whether he's watching the road or the speedo, whether he's falling asleep behind the wheel due to boredom, fatigue, alcohol or drugs etc.etc.. and I'm sure there's many more variables

[Updated on: Thu, 16 June 2005 06:18]

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