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Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!! Tue, 21 June 2005 01:05 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
river wrote on Mon, 20 June 2005 19:05

The problems with the tyres were evident during the testing period and yet Mich did not kick up a fuss until a day before the race. Mich didn't do their job properly, didn't scout out the track properly and provided and inferiro product then had the hubris to try and get the regulations changed for their mistake.

A solution was offered by the FIA, albeit with penalites for tyre changes etc, but was not accepted by the other teams.



Ralf's and Zonta's tyre failures both happened in 2nd practice, Friday - and since they're both Toyotas I suspect Michelin would have to establish whether it was a setup problem aggravating the tyres before it could shitcan everyone's tyres. I believe they told the FIA informally that there could be a problem on Friday afternoon, did their homework overnight and then sent the formal letter around saturday lunchtime.

How much time do you think there is in a race weekend, River?? There's only 50 hours between start of practce Friday, and the Race form-up Sunday. In the first 24Hours, Michelin decided that it couldn't trust the carcass they'd brought no matter what compound the teams spec'd, hence their not allowing more than 10 laps per-tyre in saturday practice. I believe they still had problems (not as dramatic as Ralf's though) running that distance.

American law is geared so that if anyone is injured using equipment that the supplier knows is unsafe/defective, then the supplier is in BIG SH!T ! ! That's why Michelin couldn't let cars race on the qual-tyre, just incase one gave out after say, 7 or 8 laps. I believe the teams & Michelin also offered to fly in tyres of sturdier construction, but the FIA replied with:
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Some of the teams have raised with us the possibility of running a tyre which was not used in qualifying. We have told them this would be a breach of the rules to be considered by the stewards. We believe the penalty would not be exclusion but would have to be heavy enough to ensure that no team was tempted to use qualifying tyres in the future.

Do not misunderstand - That is a direct threat to the teams of MASSIVE fines should they choose different tyres.

The FIA's suggestion of drivers limiting their speed to a "safe limit" through turn 13 is patently absurd - Did Charlie Whiting forget that the cars are driven by RACECAR DRIVERS ? ! ? ! Laughing


Yes Michelin fv(ked up massively - but they went in with a tyre they obviously expected to work, and be capable of winning the race. The FIA backed the Michelin teams into a corner which was untennable - at any time Ferrari could've said: "No chicane, no race, BUT give these guys this penalty . . . " - Ferrari DIDN'T make any concessions, nor did it offer help in finding a solution.

Ferrari knew they had a win in the bag, shame on them and the FIA that they refused to allow a show to go on for the fans.

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