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Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!

Tue, 21 June 2005 12:37

4DaDrift wrote on Tue, 21 June 2005 17:23

at the end fo the day i personally believe the fia showed its incompetence in resolving complex issues

Agreed.

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michilen fuxored up big time due to lack of data beforehand

Agreed.

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bridgestone cheated by gaining extra data outside the foruma which i personally consider illegal testing

What Bridgestone did was legal and within the rules. If it wasn't then they'd be pinged for it. Whether you personally think it was cheating is an issue you'll have to deal with yourself.

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ferarri showed no respect to the sport or fans and showed their absolute arrogance and contempt towards anyone else besides ferarri

Rubbish. The only involvement Ferrari had was in the all-team meeting where the Mich teams wanted all teams to boycot the race. Ferrari didn't want to do that, and why should they. They did nothing wrong, they had good tyres (and I'm sure Bridgestone were keen to compete) plus they have sponsors that want their cars circulating. The decision regarding slowing down into the corners and/or the addition of a chicane had nothing to do with Ferrari - it was between Michelin and the FIA. If anything Ferrari made sure there was a race, even though there were only 6 cars. Ferrari at least gave the crowd something to see - it wasn't much of a race (damn I'd like to use "farce" but I'm afraid of Rob's wrath), but some cars were circulating. The only other alternative, seeing the Mich teams were unwilling to compromise, would of been no race. Is that what you would of preferred? No race to be run at all?

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people have suggested that they should slow down yet this is akin t o a footy side beign asked to only tackle every thrid player or asking brett lee only to bowl below 120kph due to failing stumps and bats

It wasn't "people" who made this suggestion, it was the FIA who made it in response to Michelin who wanted a chicane. The FIA refused the addition of a chicane and suggested the teams to slow down a bit on the fast 12/13 turns.

Your cricket/league analogy isn't quite correct. Using your analogy would be more accurate if you added that the Aussie cricket team had 10 bowlers instead of 5 and the footy team had 20 players isntead of 13. Because these teams have to bypass the rules and regulations to play they must pay some penalty.

A more accurate footy analogy... Canterbury (Mich tyre team) comes to the paddock with 20 players vs Cronulla (Bridge tyre team)with the normal 13 players. Canterbury are told, as per your example, they can only tackle x times (or whatever) as a handicap to allow for them to play within the rules of the game. Canterbury refuses and demands that Cronulla either boycot the game (along with Canterbury) or get some extra men and make it even. Cronulla says it won't do this as it is playing within the defined rules of the game. So, Canterbury takes it's bat and ball and goes home and doesn't play. Your argument specifies that Cronulla are at fault and the cause of the no game. Wrong, it is Canterbury who are at fault.

You seem quite content to berate Ferrari, yet seemed to have forgotten that in this case they were within the rules and were ready and willing to race. It was the Mich teams who refused to race. It was the Mich teams who said they couldn't slow down on the fast corners. It was the Mich teams who wanted the course changed to suit their lack of quality tyres. It was the Mich teams who refused to race unless the rules were changed to make up for their lack of tyre strategy.

If you have issues or a personal dislike for Ferrari and are incapable of looking at the situation objectively then just admit it. But don't keep involving them in this discussion without facts. You're looking at it from one perspective, which is totally different to your initial post which started this thread (which, I may add, I am in total agreeance with).

If the tables were turned and it was the three Bridgestone teams that couldn't race, I wonder if the Mich teams would be so accomodating to changing the rules to let them race, or go with the three teams on a boycot of the race. I very much doubt it. And I'd doubt this thread would of been created, let alone created such lengthy discussions.

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it is a sport not a business and everyone thats involved in it has forgotten that and should be ashamed of themselves
btw i wonder what enzo would be thinking

No, it's a business. As soon as big sponsorship and big business gets invovled in anything it is for the money. Sadly sportmanship plays a distant second fiddle to profits.

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another thing is that rules were broken, twice by ferarri
the first is mentioned above
the second is the use of team orders

The first? In regards to the team orders, the rules were changed after it occurred - similar to how the cricket rules were changed after Australia bowled underarm.

seeyuzz
river

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