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4DaDrift Forums Junkie Location: Sydney Registered: May 2003	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!! Tue, 21 June 2005 14:42 summary of proposed 08 rule changes..... if you want the full document soem good points going in the right direction her thou some are rediculous http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns15044.html Control tyres are in...and proposal is slicks! Manual gearboxes Introduction of a lot of FIA 'designated suppliers' for gearboxes, ECU, Brakes etc. (Plenty of opportunity for Max/FIA to get backhanders?) Testing limits (ECU units will have what sounds like a truck style tachograph which will alert Max as soon as they go testing!) A team will be able to go out and buy another teams car if it wants??? - expensive technology which is invisible to the public and known only to a tiny band of specialist engineers should be eliminated where possible; - expensive materials or designs should not be used as a substitute for good engineering; - driver aids should be eliminated as far as possible. In particular the use of electronic devices should not be allowed to replace driver skills; - downforce should be drastically reduced and "mechanical" grip increased substantially for closer racing. Summary of the main changes proposed for 2008...... ENGINES - All components of the engine will be controlled by an Electronic Control Unit (ECU) which has been manufactured by an FIA designated supplier to an agreed specification - The ECU may only be used with FIA approved software and may only be connected to the control system wiring loom, sensors and actuators as specified by the FIA - All control sensors, actuators and FIA monitoring sensors will be specified and homologated by the FIA - The control system wiring loom connectivity will be specified by the FIA - A 3 litre V10 engine will remain an option for teams unable to obtain a 2.4 litre V8, but subject to similar strict performance limitations as in 2006 and 2007 Reasons - to eliminate the use of driver aids such as traction control - as teams will not be able to develop their own ECUs, expenditure on electronics will be considerably reduced - to allow the FIA to check testing mileage and other elements - to keep engine costs low for the smaller independent teams GEARBOXES - All cars will be fitted with gear ratios, final drive ratios and differentials which have been manufactured by an FIA designated supplier to an agreed specification - Gear changing will only be permitted by the use of a manually operated mechanical linkage to the gearbox - Clutches will only be operated via a foot pedal connected mechanically to a release mechanism Reasons - to restore control over the clutch and gear changing to the driver - the use of standard gearbox internals will result in a very significant reduction in expenditure BODYWORK - Downforce will be reduced to approximately 10% of current levels - Drag will be maintained at current levels - Overall car width will be increased - By stipulating maximum and minimum dimensions cars will be "cleaned up" with devices such as barge boards, flip ups, winglets and other small add on parts removed - Total advertising area on the car to remain unchanged Reasons - to reduce the reliance upon downforce as a means of improving performance - by increasing mechanical grip the likelihood of one car being able to follow another closely in corners, and hence be in an attacking position at the end of the following straight, will be increased - eliminating winglets, bargeboards, etc, will reduce costs as well as the danger of debris on the circuits - drag should remain unchanged in order to ensure straight line speeds do not increase significantly WHEELS AND TYRES - Tyres will be supplied by one manufacturer appointed by the FIA after an invitation to tender. Such an appointment will be conditional upon : - a suitable supplier being available ; - a suitable system to ensure tyre testing is carried out in an equitable manner ; - no team being disadvantaged by the appointment of a single supplier (detailed regulations will be written to ensure this would not be the case) ; - there being no legal impediments during the process of appointing a supplier - Slick tyres will be introduced for use in dry weather - Lower profile tyres will be introduced - Significantly larger wheels with minimum and maximum sizes stipulated for front and rear will be permitted - Tyre blankets and other heating devices will be prohibited - All tyre regulations will reside in the Technical Regulations Reasons - a single supplier would allow a bigger safety margin - the absence of competitive tyre testing would reduce costs - as relatively small differences in tyre compound and construction can have a significant effect on lap times, a single tyre supplier would simply ensure that no team would be adversely affected by being contracted to the "wrong" supplier - slick tyres would be re-introduced as a part of the low-downforce and high-mechanical-grip package - lower profile tyres would be introduced in order to give the wheels and tyres a more modern look and also permit more freedom on brakes and suspension - a ban on tyre heating devices would eliminate this significant but unnecessary expenditure CHASSIS - The minimum height of the centre of gravity of the chassis will be specified - The minimum weight for a chassis will be specified - Energy of all impact tests will be increased - Loads for all static tests will be increased - Side intrusion test requirements will be increased - Ballast will be reduced to minimal levels Reasons - to ensure that weight is distributed throughout the chassis - the centre of gravity requirement should result in less pure ballast being used, the minimum weight will have to be achieved by the construction of a stronger chassis - by raising the impact test speeds, the static load criteria on structures such as roll hoops and increasing the penetration resistance, drivers will be even better protected than they are at present BRAKES - All cars will be fitted with brake discs, pads and callipers which have been manufactured by an FIA designated supplier to an agreed specification Reason - to reduce the cost of continual development of new materials and designs, the FIA specified products will be designed to work on all types of track and last an entire Grand Prix weekend DATA ACQUISITION AND TELEMETRY - With specific exceptions, any data acquisition system, telemetry system or associated sensors additional to those associated with the ECU will be physically separate and completely isolated from the control electronics - Pit to car telemetry will be prohibited Reasons - to ensure that any data acquisition system used by a team cannot interfere with the FIA specified ECU and sensors - to ensure teams are unable to send messages to a car and potentially affect its performance MATERIALS - Limitations, similar to those within the 2006 engine regulations, will be imposed on all parts of the car Reason - costs will be reduced as research into exotic materials will be unnecessary STARTER - All cars will be equipped with a driver operated starter which is capable of starting the car without outside assistance a minimum number of times Reasons - to simplify the operation of starting a car, at present it is massively complex GEARBOXES - All cars will be fitted with gear ratios, final drive ratios and differentials which have been manufactured by an FIA designated supplier to an agreed specification - Gear changing will only be permitted by the use of a manually operated mechanical linkage to the gearbox - Clutches will only be operated via a foot pedal connected mechanically to a release mechanism Reasons - to restore control over the clutch and gear changing to the driver - the use of standard gearbox internals will result in a very significant reduction in expenditure WHEELS AND TYRES - Tyres will be supplied by one manufacturer appointed by the FIA after an invitation to tender. Such an appointment will be conditional upon : - a suitable supplier being available ; - a suitable system to ensure tyre testing is carried out in an equitable manner ; - no team being disadvantaged by the appointment of a single supplier (detailed regulations will be written to ensure this would not be the case) ; - there being no legal impediments during the process of appointing a supplier - Slick tyres will be introduced for use in dry weather - Lower profile tyres will be introduced - Significantly larger wheels with minimum and maximum sizes stipulated for front and rear will be permitted - Tyre blankets and other heating devices will be prohibited - All tyre regulations will reside in the Technical Regulations Reasons - a single supplier would allow a bigger safety margin - the absence of competitive tyre testing would reduce costs - as relatively small differences in tyre compound and construction can have a significant effect on lap times, a single tyre supplier would simply ensure that no team would be adversely affected by being contracted to the "wrong" supplier - slick tyres would be re-introduced as a part of the low-downforce and high-mechanical-grip package - lower profile tyres would be introduced in order to give the wheels and tyres a more modern look and also permit more freedom on brakes and suspension - a ban on tyre heating devices would eliminate this significant but unnecessary expenditure - How constructor's points are to be allocated will be clearly defined after further discussion SPARE CARS - Spare cars will be prohibited, i.e. no team may have more than two built-up cars available at an Event at any one time. Spare chassis will be permitted but precisely what constitutes a car in this context will be clearly defined Reason - by taking one car less to races teams will be able to save considerable sums of money as, apart from the cost of the car itself, fewer personnel will be needed TESTING - Testing will be limited to 30000km per team between 1st January and 31st December, subject to a single tyre supplier being appointed Reason - To reduce the enormous amounts of money currently being spent on testing CAR ACQUISITION - Teams will be free to buy a complete car or any part of a car from another constructor Reason - to enable a team to buy a complete car, or any part of a car, from another constructor. As a result teams will be able to save considerable sums of money on the design and development of their cars [Report message to a moderator]

	Subject	Poster	Date
	INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	4DaDrift	Sun, 19 June 2005 18:11
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	da_horse	Sun, 19 June 2005 18:38
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	peeack	Sun, 19 June 2005 18:52
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	xolent	Mon, 20 June 2005 03:47
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	da_horse	Sun, 19 June 2005 19:10
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	RobST162	Mon, 20 June 2005 02:53
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	b1gb3n	Sun, 19 June 2005 19:28
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	da_horse	Sun, 19 June 2005 19:37
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	b1gb3n	Sun, 19 June 2005 19:58
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	da_horse	Sun, 19 June 2005 20:24
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	st184 sillycar	Mon, 20 June 2005 02:09
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	RWDboy	Mon, 20 June 2005 03:33
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	RobST162	Mon, 20 June 2005 03:53
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	da_horse	Mon, 20 June 2005 04:00
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	xolent	Mon, 20 June 2005 04:19
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	da_horse	Mon, 20 June 2005 04:45
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	4DaDrift	Mon, 20 June 2005 05:38
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	THE WITZL	Mon, 20 June 2005 04:19
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	RobST162	Mon, 20 June 2005 04:23
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	dimmy77_03	Mon, 20 June 2005 04:43
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	river	Mon, 20 June 2005 05:59
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	st184 sillycar	Mon, 20 June 2005 06:32
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	river	Mon, 20 June 2005 07:13
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	4DaDrift	Mon, 20 June 2005 08:34
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	jonchai	Mon, 20 June 2005 08:37
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	4DaDrift	Mon, 20 June 2005 16:23
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	river	Mon, 20 June 2005 09:05
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	79rollaboy	Mon, 20 June 2005 09:36
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	ae86drift	Mon, 20 June 2005 09:58
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	st184 sillycar	Tue, 21 June 2005 01:05
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	bathurst-91	Mon, 20 June 2005 09:41
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	b1gb3n	Mon, 20 June 2005 10:40
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	Shraka	Mon, 20 June 2005 11:32
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	godsend	Mon, 20 June 2005 12:49
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	jonchai	Mon, 20 June 2005 14:14
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	RWDboy	Mon, 20 June 2005 14:10
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	river	Tue, 21 June 2005 02:02
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	jonchai	Tue, 21 June 2005 02:42
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	st184 sillycar	Tue, 21 June 2005 02:57
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	RWDboy	Tue, 21 June 2005 03:16
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	oldcorollas	Tue, 21 June 2005 03:36
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	river	Tue, 21 June 2005 03:58
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	river	Tue, 21 June 2005 03:44
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	river	Tue, 21 June 2005 03:29
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	cannonball	Tue, 21 June 2005 04:25
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	st184 sillycar	Tue, 21 June 2005 05:36
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	4DaDrift	Tue, 21 June 2005 07:23
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	oldcorollas	Tue, 21 June 2005 08:20
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	river	Tue, 21 June 2005 12:37
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	4DaDrift	Tue, 21 June 2005 14:01
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	RWDboy	Tue, 21 June 2005 14:18
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	4DaDrift	Tue, 21 June 2005 14:25
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	4DaDrift	Tue, 21 June 2005 14:42
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	b1gb3n	Wed, 22 June 2005 10:34
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	illuminatus	Tue, 21 June 2005 05:39
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	rob_RA40	Tue, 21 June 2005 06:03
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	skellator	Tue, 21 June 2005 07:18
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	RWDboy	Tue, 21 June 2005 14:02
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	cannonball	Tue, 21 June 2005 23:19
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	RWDboy	Wed, 22 June 2005 02:31
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	Nark	Wed, 22 June 2005 07:00
	Re: INDIANAPOLIS SHOCK !!!	st184 sillycar	Thu, 23 June 2005 07:30

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