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no_tofu_speed Forums Junkie Location: Newcastle Registered: August 2003	Re: Martial Arts Sat, 25 June 2005 01:19 Over half a year lata! haha Thnx for that input though fooz86. Just a lil not on black belts, something I once heard sounded quite true, obtaining a black belt didnt mena you were a master of the art but it signified that you were dedicated and proficient enough to "start really learning" the art (in a sense). Internal arts: And an extract about a person who was a 5th dan judo & 9th dan kenpo master who travelled to china to challenge Hsing I Ching master (internal art). "No matter how many times I tried with grappling with a stick or even suprise attack, each time the result was the same I was thrown, HE TAPPED ME ONLY LIGHTLY ON THE CHEST JUST ABOVE THE HEART AND I EXPERIENCED A STRANGE AND FRIGHTENING PAIN LIKE A HEART ATTACK. I bowed humbly and asked him to accept me as a student" fOOZ86 wrote on Fri, 24 June 2005 23:21 no tofu speed if you think grappling is only done on the ground i'm afraid that's a bit incorrect. and if you think grappling is bad in a group situation, well, it can be! and it can also work well. there's not one thing that's gonna work for every situation. However going back to grappling for submissions - that would be for sport like MMA. Remember small joint manipulations arn't allowed in these contests or else they'd be really nasty. Boxer punches, luckily puts his arm into an armlock, and while driving his head into the ground and attemping (emphasis on attempting, as I'm sure snapping an elbow would be hard) to break his arm. Mean time he's also snapping the guys fingers, as many as he can before the guy hits the ground, because as soon as the guy hits the floor, he's going to start stomping on his head. This kind of fighting would be how these guys would use grappling I imagine to defend themselves. They wouldn't wanna get locked up and tied up - especially on the ground, where other people could kick them into a purple mess. But if you want to talk about being attacked by a machetie, think about the founder of the Yagyu Shinkage ryu, that guy had a way of dealing with an armed attacker (wielding a katana) while unarmed! This was demonstrated to Tokugawa Hidetada (spelling?) Note: Hidetada had TWO attemps at him, with a wooden sword (at full speed etc). Grant. [Report message to a moderator]

	Subject	Poster	Date
	Martial Arts	SilverGhost	Wed, 17 November 2004 07:14
	Re: Martial Arts	Cool1	Wed, 17 November 2004 07:17
	Re: Martial Arts	Malicia	Wed, 17 November 2004 07:40
	Re: Martial Arts	sated	Wed, 17 November 2004 07:42
	Re: Martial Arts	matt_84	Wed, 17 November 2004 07:50
	Re: Martial Arts	SilverGhost	Wed, 17 November 2004 08:26
	Re: Martial Arts	Nark	Wed, 17 November 2004 09:55
	Re: Martial Arts	Cool1	Wed, 17 November 2004 10:00
	Re: Martial Arts	draven	Wed, 17 November 2004 10:34
	Re: Martial Arts	matt_84	Wed, 17 November 2004 10:42
	Re: Martial Arts	justcallmefrank	Thu, 18 November 2004 00:48
	Re: Martial Arts	b1gb3n	Thu, 18 November 2004 18:10
	Re: Martial Arts	MFX_Neko_86	Wed, 17 November 2004 10:39
	Re: Martial Arts	AE86slut	Wed, 17 November 2004 11:02
	Re: Martial Arts	RA28	Wed, 17 November 2004 11:37
	Re: Martial Arts	draven	Wed, 17 November 2004 11:52
	Re: Martial Arts	Nark	Wed, 17 November 2004 22:50
	Re: Martial Arts	sated	Thu, 18 November 2004 14:05
	Re: Martial Arts	4ageeza	Thu, 18 November 2004 15:12
	Re: Martial Arts	riceburna73	Thu, 18 November 2004 00:49
	Re: Martial Arts	Nark	Thu, 18 November 2004 01:28
	Re: Martial Arts	yut_hon	Thu, 14 July 2005 01:37
	Re: Martial Arts	ra23mad	Thu, 18 November 2004 02:15
	Re: Martial Arts	Nark	Thu, 18 November 2004 05:15
	Re: Martial Arts	AE86slut	Thu, 18 November 2004 05:19
	Re: Martial Arts	no_tofu_speed	Thu, 18 November 2004 03:07
	Re: Martial Arts	no_tofu_speed	Thu, 18 November 2004 03:13
	Re: Martial Arts	no_tofu_speed	Thu, 18 November 2004 03:17
	Re: Martial Arts	no_tofu_speed	Thu, 18 November 2004 03:27
	Re: Martial Arts	AE86slut	Thu, 18 November 2004 03:30
	Re: Martial Arts	riceburna73	Thu, 18 November 2004 04:22
	Re: Martial Arts	no_tofu_speed	Thu, 18 November 2004 04:38
	Re: Martial Arts	no_tofu_speed	Thu, 18 November 2004 04:42
	Re: Martial Arts	Cool1	Thu, 18 November 2004 07:09
	Re: Martial Arts	AE86slut	Thu, 18 November 2004 07:20
	Re: Martial Arts	Cool1	Thu, 18 November 2004 07:22
	Re: Martial Arts	AE86slut	Thu, 18 November 2004 07:27
	Re: Martial Arts	no_tofu_speed	Thu, 18 November 2004 08:41
	Re: Martial Arts	Nark	Thu, 18 November 2004 12:05
	Re: Martial Arts	boris	Thu, 18 November 2004 12:30
	Re: Martial Arts	Cool1	Thu, 18 November 2004 07:37
	Re: Martial Arts	AE86slut	Thu, 18 November 2004 07:44
	Re: Martial Arts	riceburna73	Thu, 18 November 2004 11:16
	Re: Martial Arts	RA28	Thu, 18 November 2004 12:38
	Re: Martial Arts	no_tofu_speed	Thu, 18 November 2004 12:55
	Re: Martial Arts	sated	Thu, 18 November 2004 16:27
	Re: Martial Arts	Nark	Thu, 18 November 2004 21:38
	Re: Martial Arts	b1gb3n	Thu, 18 November 2004 18:03
	Re: Martial Arts	Goose	Fri, 19 November 2004 00:32
	Re: Martial Arts	4ageeza	Fri, 19 November 2004 00:58
	Re: Martial Arts	Nark	Fri, 19 November 2004 01:49
	Re: Martial Arts	RA28	Sat, 20 November 2004 07:55
	Re: Martial Arts	Goose	Fri, 19 November 2004 03:17
	Re: Martial Arts	Bill Sherwood	Sat, 20 November 2004 08:10
	Re: Martial Arts	The Untouchable	Mon, 22 November 2004 03:46
	Re: Martial Arts	Cool1	Mon, 22 November 2004 04:41
	Re: Martial Arts	matt_84	Mon, 22 November 2004 05:04
	Re: Martial Arts	boris	Mon, 22 November 2004 05:09
	Re: Martial Arts	matt_84	Mon, 22 November 2004 05:13
	Re: Martial Arts	boris	Mon, 22 November 2004 05:14
	Re: Martial Arts	Nark	Mon, 22 November 2004 05:23
	Re: Martial Arts	bunkyT18	Wed, 29 June 2005 07:25
	Re: Martial Arts	BigBadBenny	Thu, 14 July 2005 13:16
	Re: Martial Arts	Cool1	Mon, 22 November 2004 06:19
	Re: Martial Arts	Norminator	Mon, 22 November 2004 06:28
	Re: Martial Arts	The Untouchable	Mon, 22 November 2004 10:55
	Re: Martial Arts	fractoid	Mon, 22 November 2004 11:23
	Re: Martial Arts	sated	Mon, 22 November 2004 14:37
	Re: Martial Arts	boris	Tue, 23 November 2004 00:27
	Re: Martial Arts	justcallmefrank	Mon, 22 November 2004 11:24
	Re: Martial Arts	fractoid	Mon, 22 November 2004 12:11
	Re: Martial Arts	Shraka	Mon, 22 November 2004 11:34
	Re: Martial Arts	MFX_Neko_86	Mon, 22 November 2004 11:47
	Re: Martial Arts	Nark	Mon, 22 November 2004 12:39
	Re: Martial Arts	Shraka	Tue, 23 November 2004 02:28
	Re: Martial Arts	Evil_Foetus	Tue, 23 November 2004 02:35
	Re: Martial Arts	Yian	Tue, 23 November 2004 02:39
	Re: Martial Arts	The Untouchable	Tue, 23 November 2004 02:39
	Re: Martial Arts	RAV-GT4	Tue, 23 November 2004 02:44
	Re: Martial Arts	RWDboy	Tue, 23 November 2004 04:07
	Re: Martial Arts	RWDboy	Tue, 23 November 2004 04:15
	Re: Martial Arts	RWDboy	Tue, 23 November 2004 04:26
	Re: Martial Arts	boris	Tue, 23 November 2004 04:49
	Re: Martial Arts	The Untouchable	Tue, 23 November 2004 04:55
	Re: Martial Arts	Nark	Tue, 23 November 2004 10:21
	Re: Martial Arts	muaythaiman	Tue, 23 November 2004 11:02
	Re: Martial Arts	RWDboy	Tue, 23 November 2004 13:20
	Re: Martial Arts	RWDboy	Tue, 23 November 2004 13:38
	Re: Martial Arts	no_tofu_speed	Tue, 23 November 2004 15:38
	Re: Martial Arts	boris	Wed, 24 November 2004 00:32
	Re: Martial Arts	RWDboy	Wed, 24 November 2004 00:35
	Re: Martial Arts	RWDboy	Wed, 24 November 2004 00:39
	Re: Martial Arts	The Untouchable	Wed, 24 November 2004 03:27
	Re: Martial Arts	no_tofu_speed	Wed, 24 November 2004 18:20
	Re: Martial Arts	fOOZ86	Fri, 24 June 2005 13:21
	Re: Martial Arts	no_tofu_speed	Sat, 25 June 2005 01:19
	Re: Martial Arts	Malicia	Fri, 24 June 2005 14:27
	Re: Martial Arts	RWDboy	Fri, 24 June 2005 15:53
	Re: Martial Arts	fOOZ86	Fri, 24 June 2005 16:34
	Re: Martial Arts	Malicia	Fri, 24 June 2005 17:02
	Re: Martial Arts	fOOZ86	Fri, 24 June 2005 17:10
	Re: Martial Arts	Malicia	Fri, 24 June 2005 17:15
	Re: Martial Arts	captain chaos	Fri, 24 June 2005 23:53
	Re: Martial Arts	RWDboy	Sat, 25 June 2005 02:10
	Re: Martial Arts	fOOZ86	Sat, 25 June 2005 04:49
	Re: Martial Arts	illuminatus	Sat, 25 June 2005 05:19
	Re: Martial Arts	no_tofu_speed	Sat, 25 June 2005 06:27
	Re: Martial Arts	sleeker162	Sat, 25 June 2005 08:39
	Re: Martial Arts	fOOZ86	Sat, 25 June 2005 08:49
	Re: Martial Arts	no_tofu_speed	Sat, 25 June 2005 18:38
	Re: Martial Arts	b1gb3n	Sat, 25 June 2005 10:25
	Re: Martial Arts	no_tofu_speed	Sat, 25 June 2005 18:44
	Re: Martial Arts	no_tofu_speed	Sat, 25 June 2005 18:54
	Re: Martial Arts	captain chaos	Wed, 29 June 2005 05:26
	Re: Martial Arts	b1gb3n	Fri, 01 July 2005 09:35
	Re: Martial Arts	Nark	Fri, 01 July 2005 09:57
	Re: Martial Arts	fOOZ86	Sat, 25 June 2005 19:34
	Re: Martial Arts	no_tofu_speed	Fri, 01 July 2005 10:34
	Re: Martial Arts	Big T	Fri, 01 July 2005 13:56
	Re: Martial Arts	fOOZ86	Fri, 01 July 2005 15:31
	Re: Martial Arts	no_tofu_speed	Sat, 02 July 2005 08:19
	Re: Martial Arts	b1gb3n	Sat, 02 July 2005 11:53
	Re: Martial Arts	bubbles	Sat, 02 July 2005 12:11
	Re: Martial Arts	Malicia	Mon, 04 July 2005 14:45
	Re: Martial Arts	no_tofu_speed	Sat, 02 July 2005 14:43
	Re: Martial Arts	bunkyT18	Mon, 04 July 2005 00:51
	Re: Martial Arts	RWDboy	Mon, 04 July 2005 16:12
	Re: Martial Arts	no_tofu_speed	Tue, 05 July 2005 01:06
	Re: Martial Arts	bunkyT18	Tue, 05 July 2005 03:37
	Re: Martial Arts	no_tofu_speed	Tue, 05 July 2005 08:28
	Re: Martial Arts	bunkyT18	Wed, 06 July 2005 05:09
	Re: Martial Arts	no_tofu_speed	Wed, 06 July 2005 07:53
	Re: Martial Arts	dlwd3w	Thu, 07 July 2005 04:35
	Re: Martial Arts	no_tofu_speed	Thu, 07 July 2005 09:51
	Re: Martial Arts	no_tofu_speed	Thu, 07 July 2005 09:53
	Re: Martial Arts	dlwd3w	Sun, 17 July 2005 07:28
	Re: Martial Arts	no_tofu_speed	Sun, 17 July 2005 10:01

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