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Re: Martial Arts
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| fOOZ86 wrote on Sat, 25 June 2005 18:49 |
If ninja didn't exist, who was Hatori Hanzo?
If the ninja didn't exist as we know them are you saying the general person picturing the kabuki play ninjas who were dressed in black symbolizing how hard they were to see?
If the ninja didn't exist, who were the families and clans from Iga and Koga who had strong ties to the Yagyu family? and apparently helped the Yagyu when the Toyotomi confiscated land believing the Yagyu had fields they were not being taxed on? hmm..
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Hattori Hanzo did exist, but as I stated, the real historical figure and the image are totally different.
And families in the Koga and Iga provinces... I know of, but not much about the truth of them, but logically..... Iga and Koga both were "known".. how can you be "known" and get away with training masters of espionage who were meant to be secret...
And the ninja if they went ona night raid, apparantly more likely wore a very dark navy and grey I read (black is actually easier to see in night, night is not actually really black black), but more commonly and often they would spend years living the life of a poor farmer/villager just to infultrate etc etc...
Like I said, alot of it is very grey..... not saying they totally didnt exist, but historically alot of things dont add up to what we think they were. And its been many many years, I have a bad memory.
Maybe one of the better places to straighten it out is the bugei sword forums, I remmeber there being a japanese historian who was a regular....
But to them such a question about "the true nature of ninja etc" would prolly be like posting on toymods... "how can I drift like Takumi" and get a shitload of smartazz answers
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