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oldcorollas Forums Junkie Location: Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan Registered: January 2003	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings Mon, 11 July 2005 05:13 demuire wrote on Mon, 11 July 2005 14:46 Stewart: Wow, so much to read, will read more when I get home (I'm at work at the moment) Hmm, I always thought "wideband" was the actual sensor itself, but it looks like it's actually a controller of some sort, attached to an 02 sensor? And I'm guessing the O2 sensor is not the same as a narrowband one. With the LC-1 that's for $199, don't you need a display of some sort to go with it? Or I suppose if I had a MS I could plug it into that and use a laptop for display? All the standalone kits (sensor + gauge) are like, USD400. Ouchy. Had a look at Zeitronix, also $400 for the full kit. Techedge look alright, AUD499 for the full kit, prebuilt. Or AUD314 for the DIY kit inc sensor. Hmm... ok... a WIDEBAND sensor is basically a narrowband sensor with an oxygen diffusion cell around it. the diffusion cell changes the amount of oxygen getting thru to keep the inside narrowband at the switching point. the current required to control the amount of oxygen going thru the difffusion cell is controlled by the wideband control circuitry, and the output of this circuit to the outside world is 0-5V.. so it's basically a narrowband with a controllable oxygen filter, but it's the filter that tells you how much O2 there is .. thats why you NEED the control circuit.. that said, there are good and bad designs for control circuitry (for the same sensor).. the LC1 is just the control circuit, btu you could use either their snayy gauges (they DO look nice ) or you could just as easily use a DMM... or plug it into MS.. US$400 isn't that bad compared to a few years ago when it was only the motec and above versions.. anyway, enjoy reading [Report message to a moderator]

	Subject	Poster	Date
	16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	demuire	Fri, 08 July 2005 22:30
	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	J-AE86	Fri, 08 July 2005 23:13
	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	ViPeR_NiPPleX	Sat, 09 July 2005 02:58
	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	demuire	Sat, 09 July 2005 00:14
	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	takai	Sat, 09 July 2005 06:05
	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	c2888	Sat, 09 July 2005 11:52
	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	demuire	Sat, 09 July 2005 12:23
	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	c2888	Sat, 09 July 2005 12:47
	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	demuire	Sat, 09 July 2005 13:10
	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	ae86drift	Sat, 09 July 2005 13:35
	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	oldcorollas	Sat, 09 July 2005 14:03
	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	improvedae86	Sat, 09 July 2005 14:00
	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	demuire	Sat, 09 July 2005 16:34
	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	oldcorollas	Sat, 09 July 2005 16:51
	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	demuire	Sat, 09 July 2005 16:53
	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	demuire	Sat, 09 July 2005 17:01
	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	demuire	Sun, 10 July 2005 04:57
	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	bantech	Sun, 10 July 2005 05:31
	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	demuire	Sun, 10 July 2005 13:10
	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	oldcorollas	Mon, 11 July 2005 02:46
	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	oldcorollas	Mon, 11 July 2005 02:49
	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	Ben Wilson	Sun, 10 July 2005 22:26
	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	takai	Sun, 10 July 2005 22:57
	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	demuire	Sun, 10 July 2005 23:12
	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	Ben Wilson	Sun, 10 July 2005 23:20
	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	demuire	Sun, 10 July 2005 23:29
	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	demuire	Sun, 10 July 2005 23:32
	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	takai	Mon, 11 July 2005 00:03
	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	demuire	Mon, 11 July 2005 00:16
	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	Ben Wilson	Mon, 11 July 2005 00:22
	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	demuire	Mon, 11 July 2005 04:46
	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	oldcorollas	Mon, 11 July 2005 05:13
	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	demuire	Mon, 11 July 2005 05:21
	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	oldcorollas	Mon, 11 July 2005 05:23
	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	Ben Wilson	Mon, 11 July 2005 05:23
	Re: 16v 4AGE quad throttles - stock ECU shortcomings	demuire	Mon, 11 July 2005 05:27

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