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quest Regular Location: u.s.a. south Registered: April 2004	Re: Blasphemous Mod Sun, 14 August 2005 12:23 we have those "better" motors stateside also, u know. Put a 1jz in a mk3 for eg. Dollar for dollar/mod for mod, the turbo buick sedan will sh1t all over it. You better pick again. Now a 2j in a mk2, as you drive.... the picture changes Is the 1j a 'better' motor ? No question. On the issue of which version Got news for you. The 3800 is a BETTER performer than the turbo 3.8 buick GN motor with the same mods! Guess you didn't know that The 3.8 is the first gen of even-fire v6, with siamesed intake ports - even more crude than the 3800, whose design is derived from stageII buick motorsports indy racing program. None of the parts interchange. On the weight Is an 18rg to buick v6 any more different than a massive vg30dett (twin cam, twin turbo nissan v6) is to an all alloy sr20 ? hmmmmm Mr DOHC u too hit some interesting points. >>"but nobody here gives a shit about them" all I'm doing is dropping u a few tips from someone who does. GM is dam cheap, and I don't think they'll vary the casting any, eh. Whether it be na, sc or turbo, I've seen the buicks perform impressively, to the point that I'd never make the kinda remarks that r posted here consistently. On the "why factor" Lets say I had a aw11 plaything, had motor swap skills and wanted to go fast for cheap. I grab a 3800/fwd auto tranny wreck donor for $1k and put in the rear of my aw. With no internals, gm ecu/custom $200 chip tune, I'm well over 200 ft-lbs tq from 2500 - 5200rpm You can throw pulley$, cam$, $tandalone, porting and hell, a 50shot at a gze/e58 lsd... and tq won't even peak where most of the buick 'averages'. Drop the hammer, the gze will see tailights, with a gap widening I could then ask the gze guy, "why?"... doesn't matter tho Is the 4agze a 'better' motor ? It sure is. FC owner wants mid 11sec timeslips. What will it cost his 13b ? Swaps in a $2000 stock 80k mile buick GN drivetrain. With a "crushed" fpr, chipped stock ecu.... motor/tranny/converter/turbo ALL stock. Runs consistent 11.6s. Only thing the old buick sufers from is tired factory springs that float valves ~5k, robbing you of a 5700 redline - $65 performance springs solves that. Plastic oe timing gear has to go - double roller steel chain assy, a $50 fix. FC never enjoyed such performance, reliability and economy. Sure he gives up his revvy, smooth mill and 5spd. Why? After going thru 3 'finicky' rotarys en route to 11s, the mileage, the co$t, etc... Kinda leaves a sour taste in your mouth. Is the 13b a better motor ? Absolutely Is a buick v6 a wise choice ? Depends on who u ask [Report message to a moderator]

	Subject	Poster	Date
	Blasphemous Mod	PayneyCelica18rg	Thu, 21 April 2005 02:44
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	ke382TG	Thu, 21 April 2005 03:21
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	81LOWLUX	Thu, 21 April 2005 03:26
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	Col W	Fri, 12 August 2005 14:02
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	ra_28	Thu, 21 April 2005 04:48
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	CrUZsida	Thu, 21 April 2005 04:58
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	ra_28	Thu, 21 April 2005 06:06
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	CrUZsida	Thu, 21 April 2005 06:12
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	ra_28	Thu, 21 April 2005 06:25
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	CrUZsida	Thu, 21 April 2005 04:57
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	HyDrA	Thu, 21 April 2005 05:11
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	Merudo	Thu, 21 April 2005 06:12
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	rob_RA40	Thu, 21 April 2005 05:19
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	81LOWLUX	Thu, 21 April 2005 05:59
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	h3ff44	Thu, 21 April 2005 06:24
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	flyinwall	Thu, 21 April 2005 06:53
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	81LOWLUX	Thu, 21 April 2005 06:57
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	ra_28	Thu, 21 April 2005 07:01
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	EldarO	Thu, 21 April 2005 06:57
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	CrUZsida	Thu, 21 April 2005 07:03
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	flyinwall	Thu, 21 April 2005 07:16
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	81LOWLUX	Thu, 21 April 2005 07:21
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	Super Jamie	Thu, 21 April 2005 08:05
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	CrUZsida	Thu, 21 April 2005 08:18
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	EldarO	Thu, 21 April 2005 10:34
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	Dale_ta22	Thu, 21 April 2005 12:39
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	EldarO	Thu, 21 April 2005 15:18
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	Dale_ta22	Fri, 22 April 2005 02:45
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	Johnny	Fri, 22 April 2005 12:40
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	sideshow	Thu, 21 April 2005 08:22
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	Super Jamie	Thu, 21 April 2005 12:49
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	badboybubby	Thu, 21 April 2005 12:59
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	mrshin	Thu, 21 April 2005 15:26
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	PayneyCelica18rg	Fri, 22 April 2005 01:25
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	81LOWLUX	Fri, 22 April 2005 01:33
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	Super Jamie	Fri, 22 April 2005 01:46
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	81LOWLUX	Fri, 22 April 2005 01:53
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	Turbo_Tim	Sat, 13 August 2005 01:23
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	Super Jamie	Sat, 13 August 2005 01:41
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	berad	Sat, 13 August 2005 01:46
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	quest	Sat, 13 August 2005 18:13
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	Norbie	Sun, 14 August 2005 06:43
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	brett_celicacoupe	Sun, 14 August 2005 09:33
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	Mr DOHC	Sun, 14 August 2005 09:49
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	4ageeza	Sun, 14 August 2005 00:34
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	ke105k	Sun, 14 August 2005 11:41
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	quest	Sun, 14 August 2005 12:23
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	mideon_696	Sun, 14 August 2005 15:14
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	VeeP	Sun, 14 August 2005 15:49
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	Corona RT142	Mon, 15 August 2005 01:35
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	Johnny	Mon, 15 August 2005 07:06
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	hemi twofifteen turbo	Mon, 15 August 2005 09:08
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	Mr DOHC	Mon, 15 August 2005 11:51
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	dayzii	Sat, 20 August 2005 06:18
	Re: Blasphemous Mod	terra	Sat, 20 August 2005 07:14

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