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white86 Regular Location: Brisbane Registered: May 2004	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver??? Mon, 12 September 2005 10:57 Roundy wrote on Mon, 12 September 2005 20:38 well i think you are missing a key point, driving within the limits of the car is good, but i would wager that 90% of all drivers on the road wouldn't be able to drive their car to the limit. I feel a good driver is Situational awareness + good car control + knowledge of own and machines limit + knowledge of rules. Good car control is, of course, subject to a wide variety of meanings, but in general, as long as they know what to do when they have locked brakes, and have understeer/oversteer, that should be the bare minimum. Also about driver training, those 'hoons' who get the training will probably be even more self confident and sure of themselves afterwards and hence could be even more of a threat, even tho they know what to do if the shit hits the fan I don't quite understand what key point that I'm missing. The first 3 parts of your good driver equation all fall under my "raw skills" term. I think your argument about the false sense of confidence instilled by driver training is flawed. Do you think that driver training is sticking young people on a race track and saying "this is how you go fast"? It involves many aspects which aim to both increase basic skills, as well as educate on the REAL effects of speed etc on a car. It is narrow-minded to think that "hoons" will use the driver training to create even more dangerous situations on the road. You're merely subscribing to a stereotype that "hoons" are irresponsible. If you agree that there is an attitude problem at the centre of this debate, how do you propose to change these attitudes? Personally, the things that effect my attitudes the most are things that happen in front of my eyes. I'd learn more from driver training than being banned from driving a certain car any day. [Report message to a moderator]

	Subject	Poster	Date
	time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	white86	Mon, 12 September 2005 09:38
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	draven	Mon, 12 September 2005 09:48
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	Rolla Boy	Mon, 12 September 2005 09:57
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	white86	Mon, 12 September 2005 10:00
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	thechuckster	Mon, 12 September 2005 11:19
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	white86	Mon, 12 September 2005 11:40
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	white86	Mon, 12 September 2005 09:57
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	draven	Mon, 12 September 2005 09:59
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	mynameisrodney	Mon, 12 September 2005 10:09
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	white86	Mon, 12 September 2005 10:10
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	mynameisrodney	Mon, 12 September 2005 10:13
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	lang	Mon, 12 September 2005 10:14
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	white86	Mon, 12 September 2005 10:15
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	Roundy	Mon, 12 September 2005 10:38
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	white86	Mon, 12 September 2005 10:57
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	Roundy	Mon, 12 September 2005 23:25
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	Shraka	Mon, 12 September 2005 12:22
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	Dorio86	Mon, 12 September 2005 22:49
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	illuminatus	Mon, 12 September 2005 23:36
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	Dorio86	Mon, 12 September 2005 23:43
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	illuminatus	Tue, 13 September 2005 01:18
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	Dorio86	Tue, 13 September 2005 01:52
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	ke382TG	Tue, 13 September 2005 00:35
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	Dorio86	Tue, 13 September 2005 00:46
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	illuminatus	Tue, 13 September 2005 06:03
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	kingmick	Tue, 13 September 2005 08:35
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	Classique71	Tue, 13 September 2005 12:22
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	river	Tue, 13 September 2005 12:35
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	white86	Tue, 13 September 2005 13:51
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	dimmy77_03	Tue, 13 September 2005 13:57
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	kingmick	Tue, 13 September 2005 21:50
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	Hi-Ace	Tue, 13 September 2005 22:28
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	spectral	Thu, 15 September 2005 05:55
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	Shraka	Thu, 15 September 2005 06:05
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	spectral	Thu, 15 September 2005 06:20
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	Classique71	Thu, 15 September 2005 11:37
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	Toymad	Thu, 15 September 2005 11:47
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	EVL-184	Thu, 15 September 2005 14:50
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	illuminatus	Thu, 15 September 2005 23:32
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	4DaDrift	Sat, 17 September 2005 09:57
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	river	Sat, 17 September 2005 11:46
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	4DaDrift	Sun, 18 September 2005 17:25
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	tom210	Thu, 15 September 2005 22:56
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	TougeVitz	Sat, 17 September 2005 13:52
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	Paranoid Android	Sat, 17 September 2005 17:28
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	4DaDrift	Sun, 18 September 2005 17:30
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	TougeVitz	Sat, 17 September 2005 17:52
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	Paranoid Android	Sun, 18 September 2005 15:27
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	TougeVitz	Sun, 18 September 2005 16:51
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	Paranoid Android	Sun, 18 September 2005 17:20
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	TougeVitz	Sun, 18 September 2005 17:38
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	mynameisrodney	Sun, 18 September 2005 23:19
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	Corona RT142	Sun, 18 September 2005 23:06
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	Corona RT142	Mon, 19 September 2005 00:02
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	mynameisrodney	Mon, 19 September 2005 00:06
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	Corona RT142	Mon, 19 September 2005 00:35
	Re: time behind the wheel = experience = good driver???	kingmick	Mon, 19 September 2005 00:46

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