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oldcorollas Forums Junkie Location: Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan Registered: January 2003	Re: Petrol Prices Tue, 13 September 2005 08:48 86tt wrote on Tue, 13 September 2005 16:03 oldcorollas: ur completely off-track, no shit , i've known that for years 86tt wrote on Tue, 13 September 2005 16:03 yes the materials on the earth may be able to be estimated, but it's only a number, and I don't know what point ur trying to make again 86tt wrote on Tue, 13 September 2005 16:03 When you say the world have limited amounts of material I would certainly disagree, because the amount of mass underneath the earth's crust is unimaginable you said you couldn't imagine it, i said it could be measured AND IS FINITE.. sheesh... 86tt wrote on Tue, 13 September 2005 16:03 and yeah, so you mentioned fuel and oxygen will make it ignite (I assume you know it's called a chemical reaction?) and with a catalyst, it will react at a lower temp., so? Turning water into H2 and O2 is a chemical reaction, and I said that I've heard a rumour that a catalyst can help this chemical reaction, is it quantum theory? No, is this too hard for you to understand? I hope not... che.. chemi... whu??? dude... i have a PhD in Metallurgy, my thesis was based on thermodynamics, diffusion and chemical reactions turning water into 2H2 and O2 is a chemical reaction... but it is not energetically favourable. this is because a) you are reducing entropy, and b) you are absorbing enthalpy (and turning it into chemical bonds). ie it TAKES energy to split water.. it doesn't happen spontaneously, even in the presence of a catalyst.. in fact, this is not completely true.. at high enough temperatures, water will break down into it's components, but at more than 1000C, there is plenty of energy to convert it back into water (oh, i use water to control oxygen partial pressures in oxidation reactions too .. forgot to mention that before ) the problem here, is that you don't seem to understand basic thermodynamic fundamentals, and you continue to ignore them.. please go and do a quick calculation of the gibbs free energy of the reaction of water into it's constituents... i can tell you now that it will be positive 86tt wrote on Tue, 13 September 2005 16:03 oldcorollas wrote why the fuck would you want to.. in summer.. take heat from outside and put it into a room.... you could just open a window Did I say I want to take the heat from outside and put it into a room in summer? You're imagining things... you actually said.... 86tt wrote on Tue, 13 September 2005 16:03 I think you are fairly close, and this system is called a "heat-pump", but is set up in a very inefficient manner (taking heat from a not-so-hot room, and dumping it into a "hotter" room) What if you do it the other way around? ie. Taking heat from a very hot place, and dumping it into a very cold place? taking heat from a very hot place and putting it in a very cold place is usualyl called either: a) a radiator on a car or b) opening a window. neither of these situations has any relevance to AIR CONDITIONERS, to which you were alluding. a little bit of knowledge is far more dangerous than a bucket load of ignorance... unfortunately my friend, you have both. Cya, Stewart [Report message to a moderator]

	Subject	Poster	Date
	Petrol Prices	godsend	Tue, 06 September 2005 12:59
	Re: Petrol Prices	Sprinter Adam	Tue, 06 September 2005 13:09
	Re: Petrol Prices	ae80	Tue, 06 September 2005 13:12
	Re: Petrol Prices	Evan	Tue, 06 September 2005 23:23
	Re: Petrol Prices	ViPeR_NiPPleX	Tue, 06 September 2005 23:57
	Re: Petrol Prices	rthy	Wed, 07 September 2005 03:52
	Re: Petrol Prices	Norbie	Wed, 07 September 2005 02:14
	Re: Petrol Prices	Shraka	Wed, 07 September 2005 02:15
	Re: Petrol Prices	Corona RT142	Wed, 07 September 2005 02:17
	Re: Petrol Prices	bigg willie style	Wed, 07 September 2005 03:39
	Re: Petrol Prices	thu187	Wed, 07 September 2005 03:58
	Re: Petrol Prices	Roundy	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:00
	Re: Petrol Prices	ke382TG	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:04
	Re: Petrol Prices	suthol	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:13
	Re: Petrol Prices	Shraka	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:18
	Re: Petrol Prices	Corona RT142	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:21
	Re: Petrol Prices	rthy	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:23
	Re: Petrol Prices	bubbles	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:28
	Re: Petrol Prices	Norbie	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:46
	Re: Petrol Prices	bubbles	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:48
	Re: Petrol Prices	bubbles	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:49
	Re: Petrol Prices	bubbles	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:51
	Re: Petrol Prices	bubbles	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:52
	Re: Petrol Prices	Norbie	Wed, 07 September 2005 05:06
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Wed, 07 September 2005 13:27
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Wed, 07 September 2005 13:46
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Wed, 07 September 2005 13:52
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Wed, 07 September 2005 14:02
	Re: Petrol Prices	dingaling	Wed, 07 September 2005 14:06
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Wed, 07 September 2005 14:15
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Wed, 07 September 2005 14:20
	Re: Petrol Prices	dingaling	Wed, 07 September 2005 14:26
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Wed, 07 September 2005 14:38
	Re: Petrol Prices	Merudo	Wed, 07 September 2005 05:35
	Re: Petrol Prices	Corona RT142	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:30
	Re: Petrol Prices	bubbles	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:31
	Re: Petrol Prices	bubbles	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:31
	Re: Petrol Prices	ke382TG	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:31
	Re: Petrol Prices	Corona RT142	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:32
	Re: Petrol Prices	Shraka	Wed, 07 September 2005 07:42
	Re: Petrol Prices	Norbie	Wed, 07 September 2005 05:12
	Re: Petrol Prices	Corona RT142	Wed, 07 September 2005 05:13
	Re: Petrol Prices	bubbles	Wed, 07 September 2005 07:30
	Re: Petrol Prices	Norbie	Wed, 07 September 2005 07:34
	Re: Petrol Prices	bubbles	Wed, 07 September 2005 07:35
	Re: Petrol Prices	rob_RA40	Wed, 07 September 2005 05:25
	Re: Petrol Prices	Corona RT142	Wed, 07 September 2005 05:36
	Re: Petrol Prices	Smokey228	Wed, 07 September 2005 06:43
	Re: Petrol Prices	Corona RT142	Wed, 07 September 2005 09:51
	Re: Petrol Prices	Norbie	Wed, 07 September 2005 11:46
	Re: Petrol Prices	dingaling	Wed, 07 September 2005 12:27
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Wed, 07 September 2005 13:49
	Re: Petrol Prices	dingaling	Wed, 07 September 2005 14:00
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Wed, 07 September 2005 14:06
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Wed, 07 September 2005 13:29
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Wed, 07 September 2005 15:04
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Sat, 10 September 2005 17:05
	Re: Petrol Prices	mynameisrodney	Sun, 11 September 2005 06:15
	Re: Petrol Prices	Norbie	Sun, 11 September 2005 09:43
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Sun, 11 September 2005 12:17
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Sun, 11 September 2005 06:15
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Sun, 11 September 2005 06:20
	Re: Petrol Prices	Benjamin	Sun, 11 September 2005 06:28
	Re: Petrol Prices	mynameisrodney	Sun, 11 September 2005 13:24
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Sun, 11 September 2005 13:56
	Re: Petrol Prices	mynameisrodney	Sun, 11 September 2005 14:15
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Sun, 11 September 2005 14:38
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Mon, 12 September 2005 03:34
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Mon, 12 September 2005 06:31
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Mon, 12 September 2005 16:14
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Tue, 13 September 2005 06:03
	Re: Petrol Prices	Marc205	Tue, 13 September 2005 08:02
	Re: Petrol Prices	mynameisrodney	Tue, 13 September 2005 08:22
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Tue, 13 September 2005 08:48
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Tue, 13 September 2005 08:56
	Re: Petrol Prices	mynameisrodney	Tue, 13 September 2005 09:12
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Tue, 13 September 2005 09:43
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Wed, 14 September 2005 15:35
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Wed, 14 September 2005 15:41
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Wed, 14 September 2005 15:54
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Wed, 14 September 2005 16:06
	Re: Petrol Prices	poh_86	Mon, 12 September 2005 07:14
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Mon, 12 September 2005 07:39
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Mon, 12 September 2005 13:51
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Tue, 13 September 2005 06:05
	Re: Petrol Prices	Lucid	Tue, 13 September 2005 08:26
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Tue, 13 September 2005 08:27
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Tue, 13 September 2005 08:35
	Re: Petrol Prices	mynameisrodney	Tue, 13 September 2005 08:41
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Wed, 14 September 2005 16:08
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Wed, 14 September 2005 16:31
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Wed, 14 September 2005 17:22
	Re: Petrol Prices	mynameisrodney	Wed, 14 September 2005 23:41
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Thu, 15 September 2005 00:06
	Re: Petrol Prices	mynameisrodney	Thu, 15 September 2005 01:08
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Thu, 15 September 2005 06:41
	Re: Petrol Prices	Marc205	Thu, 15 September 2005 09:17
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Thu, 15 September 2005 13:11
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Thu, 15 September 2005 13:18
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Thu, 15 September 2005 13:32
	Re: Petrol Prices	Norbie	Thu, 15 September 2005 13:29
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Thu, 15 September 2005 14:06
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Thu, 15 September 2005 14:27
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Thu, 15 September 2005 14:48
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Fri, 16 September 2005 02:50
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Fri, 16 September 2005 05:07
	Re: Petrol Prices	smt_007	Thu, 15 September 2005 14:31
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Thu, 15 September 2005 14:45
	Re: Petrol Prices	TRD_Supra	Fri, 16 September 2005 09:30

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