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86tt Forums Junkie Location: Sydney Registered: August 2004	Re: Petrol Prices Thu, 15 September 2005 00:06 mynameisrodney wrote on Thu, 15 September 2005 09:41 quotes from first site, first paragraph. Quote: ???? u're saying finite number of materials = limit amount of energy? What's that got to do with it, day after day you get never ending supply of light and heat energy from the sun, where do they end up at? umm, no you dont. . the amount of energy from the sun while being incomprehensibly large, is still finite. Go look something up on the lifecycle of stars. don't be silly, what's the human's life cycle compared to the star's lifecycle? The humans on earth will probably be long gone before the star's energy ever gets close to being used up, not in the next 1000 generations will we witness the death of our sun... and your claim that there's limited amount of material on earth isn't true either as there's new energy from the sun and other galaxies bombarding the earth everyday... Quote: resonant frequency stuff is interesting, i agree. However the electrons spin around the nucleus of the atom so fast that an extremely high frequency would need to be used, thus using high amounts of energy (which you would find is more than that gained from burning the hydrogen). high frequency <> high energy, your mobile phone emits 900/1800/1900MHz and it's powered by milli-watts, from different sources, some claim 30-40kV @ around 15kHz will separate the molecules... Quote: to get hydrogen from water we will always need to supply AT LEAST the amount of energy we get from burning it. but this does not mean it is unfeasable. to make it worthwhile we would need to use energy from a sourcee that we did not create and would not use (otherwise we are just using energy to make less energy ). An example of such a source is radioactive waste. it contains large amounts of energy but we just bury it because we cant do anything with it. if we could use that to produce hydrogen from water, we would not only be gaining hydrogen, but making nuclear power cleaner. many commercial sites are now claiming some form of method of separating H20 or H2 molecules into H & O and single H molecules, and recombining them and finding extra energy, so this claim may not be true... here's another interesting site http://befreetech.com/techpage.htm here it mentions a car that uses 28 Gallon of water to travel from California to NY... http://befreetech.com/fe_program.htm has many references to the dark world, but sceptical people wouldn't believe them, so don't over-react... [Updated on: Thu, 15 September 2005 00:13] [Report message to a moderator]

	Subject	Poster	Date
	Petrol Prices	godsend	Tue, 06 September 2005 12:59
	Re: Petrol Prices	Sprinter Adam	Tue, 06 September 2005 13:09
	Re: Petrol Prices	ae80	Tue, 06 September 2005 13:12
	Re: Petrol Prices	Evan	Tue, 06 September 2005 23:23
	Re: Petrol Prices	ViPeR_NiPPleX	Tue, 06 September 2005 23:57
	Re: Petrol Prices	rthy	Wed, 07 September 2005 03:52
	Re: Petrol Prices	Norbie	Wed, 07 September 2005 02:14
	Re: Petrol Prices	Shraka	Wed, 07 September 2005 02:15
	Re: Petrol Prices	Corona RT142	Wed, 07 September 2005 02:17
	Re: Petrol Prices	bigg willie style	Wed, 07 September 2005 03:39
	Re: Petrol Prices	thu187	Wed, 07 September 2005 03:58
	Re: Petrol Prices	Roundy	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:00
	Re: Petrol Prices	ke382TG	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:04
	Re: Petrol Prices	suthol	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:13
	Re: Petrol Prices	Shraka	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:18
	Re: Petrol Prices	Corona RT142	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:21
	Re: Petrol Prices	rthy	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:23
	Re: Petrol Prices	bubbles	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:28
	Re: Petrol Prices	Norbie	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:46
	Re: Petrol Prices	bubbles	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:48
	Re: Petrol Prices	bubbles	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:49
	Re: Petrol Prices	bubbles	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:51
	Re: Petrol Prices	bubbles	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:52
	Re: Petrol Prices	Norbie	Wed, 07 September 2005 05:06
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Wed, 07 September 2005 13:27
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Wed, 07 September 2005 13:46
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Wed, 07 September 2005 13:52
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Wed, 07 September 2005 14:02
	Re: Petrol Prices	dingaling	Wed, 07 September 2005 14:06
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Wed, 07 September 2005 14:15
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Wed, 07 September 2005 14:20
	Re: Petrol Prices	dingaling	Wed, 07 September 2005 14:26
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Wed, 07 September 2005 14:38
	Re: Petrol Prices	Merudo	Wed, 07 September 2005 05:35
	Re: Petrol Prices	Corona RT142	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:30
	Re: Petrol Prices	bubbles	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:31
	Re: Petrol Prices	bubbles	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:31
	Re: Petrol Prices	ke382TG	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:31
	Re: Petrol Prices	Corona RT142	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:32
	Re: Petrol Prices	Shraka	Wed, 07 September 2005 07:42
	Re: Petrol Prices	Norbie	Wed, 07 September 2005 05:12
	Re: Petrol Prices	Corona RT142	Wed, 07 September 2005 05:13
	Re: Petrol Prices	bubbles	Wed, 07 September 2005 07:30
	Re: Petrol Prices	Norbie	Wed, 07 September 2005 07:34
	Re: Petrol Prices	bubbles	Wed, 07 September 2005 07:35
	Re: Petrol Prices	rob_RA40	Wed, 07 September 2005 05:25
	Re: Petrol Prices	Corona RT142	Wed, 07 September 2005 05:36
	Re: Petrol Prices	Smokey228	Wed, 07 September 2005 06:43
	Re: Petrol Prices	Corona RT142	Wed, 07 September 2005 09:51
	Re: Petrol Prices	Norbie	Wed, 07 September 2005 11:46
	Re: Petrol Prices	dingaling	Wed, 07 September 2005 12:27
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Wed, 07 September 2005 13:49
	Re: Petrol Prices	dingaling	Wed, 07 September 2005 14:00
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Wed, 07 September 2005 14:06
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Wed, 07 September 2005 13:29
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Wed, 07 September 2005 15:04
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Sat, 10 September 2005 17:05
	Re: Petrol Prices	mynameisrodney	Sun, 11 September 2005 06:15
	Re: Petrol Prices	Norbie	Sun, 11 September 2005 09:43
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Sun, 11 September 2005 12:17
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Sun, 11 September 2005 06:15
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Sun, 11 September 2005 06:20
	Re: Petrol Prices	Benjamin	Sun, 11 September 2005 06:28
	Re: Petrol Prices	mynameisrodney	Sun, 11 September 2005 13:24
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Sun, 11 September 2005 13:56
	Re: Petrol Prices	mynameisrodney	Sun, 11 September 2005 14:15
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Sun, 11 September 2005 14:38
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Mon, 12 September 2005 03:34
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Mon, 12 September 2005 06:31
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Mon, 12 September 2005 16:14
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Tue, 13 September 2005 06:03
	Re: Petrol Prices	Marc205	Tue, 13 September 2005 08:02
	Re: Petrol Prices	mynameisrodney	Tue, 13 September 2005 08:22
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Tue, 13 September 2005 08:48
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Tue, 13 September 2005 08:56
	Re: Petrol Prices	mynameisrodney	Tue, 13 September 2005 09:12
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Tue, 13 September 2005 09:43
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Wed, 14 September 2005 15:35
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Wed, 14 September 2005 15:41
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Wed, 14 September 2005 15:54
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Wed, 14 September 2005 16:06
	Re: Petrol Prices	poh_86	Mon, 12 September 2005 07:14
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Mon, 12 September 2005 07:39
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Mon, 12 September 2005 13:51
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Tue, 13 September 2005 06:05
	Re: Petrol Prices	Lucid	Tue, 13 September 2005 08:26
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Tue, 13 September 2005 08:27
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Tue, 13 September 2005 08:35
	Re: Petrol Prices	mynameisrodney	Tue, 13 September 2005 08:41
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Wed, 14 September 2005 16:08
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Wed, 14 September 2005 16:31
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Wed, 14 September 2005 17:22
	Re: Petrol Prices	mynameisrodney	Wed, 14 September 2005 23:41
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Thu, 15 September 2005 00:06
	Re: Petrol Prices	mynameisrodney	Thu, 15 September 2005 01:08
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Thu, 15 September 2005 06:41
	Re: Petrol Prices	Marc205	Thu, 15 September 2005 09:17
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Thu, 15 September 2005 13:11
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Thu, 15 September 2005 13:18
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Thu, 15 September 2005 13:32
	Re: Petrol Prices	Norbie	Thu, 15 September 2005 13:29
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Thu, 15 September 2005 14:06
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Thu, 15 September 2005 14:27
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Thu, 15 September 2005 14:48
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Fri, 16 September 2005 02:50
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Fri, 16 September 2005 05:07
	Re: Petrol Prices	smt_007	Thu, 15 September 2005 14:31
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Thu, 15 September 2005 14:45
	Re: Petrol Prices	TRD_Supra	Fri, 16 September 2005 09:30

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