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86tt Forums Junkie Location: Sydney Registered: August 2004	Re: Petrol Prices Thu, 15 September 2005 14:48 RWDboy wrote on Fri, 16 September 2005 00:06 Oh so now you are a better person than us too? It takes a very articulate and insightful individual to go and make a judgement about people, their beliefs and their process based on the fact that they have qualifications and don't agree with your argument (which is not really *your* argument, but some other 'websites' claim that you are pimping). there's no point debating any further, you have existing companies who are currently providing the technology & products and you have information about inventions that tracks back to more than 100 years ago, you have newspaper articles of great inventions and even a video of a news item on a water powered vehicle dating back 20 years ago, you have horror stories of people that are threatened and killed by the authorities, and all these information are right in your face, but ignorance overcomes your intellegence, just because you thought you have a PhD or a degree, it makes you think everyone else out there is insane, what weren't told to you at your university isn't true. Or think about this, you have an internal combustion engine in your car, which is shit all inefficient, say 30%? The rest gets turned into sound and heat, so much heat that you need another system to consistently remove the heat so your engine doesn't overheat, you pump the heat out with coolant, and a couple of 10, 12" electric fans, huge radiators that cracks and needs to be replaced every few years, why? Why doesn't all these wasted heat gets harnessed and recycled and turned back into energy? Because no oil companies nor car manufacturer give a f..k about the wasted fuel and energy! Have a look at such innovation: http://www.whispergen.com/main/acwhispergen/ a company that builds a boiler with a sterling engine to recover lost energy, these household boiler most likely boil the water up to around 60 degrees, but while providing 8kW of heating they can recover an extra 1.2kW of electricity, that's about 15% of the original intended power! If car manufacturers were any keen, wouldn't it be great to have such device to recover the extra heat wasted from inefficient combustion engine and use it to charge the battery, run the air conditioning etc.? No more huge radiators and thermo fans! Combine this with a system to run a generator when the brake pedal is on (already being done with hybrid cars) How much more will that would improve the overall system efficiency of the car? The media keeps going on about how they're building more fuel efficient cars, that's all B.S.! Look at the efficiency of today's corollas (1L/10km premium unleaded) and the corollas 10 years ago (1L/10km unleaded), where's the improvement? It's just a big lie that everybody's is believing! EDIT: Just found some info to say 70% of an engine is lost through heat, so some energy are lost through sound and the rest out the flywheel, so I can safely assume IC engine have peak efficiency at 30%.... so if it produces 100kw, then it'll be safe to say that if we reserve 10% of this heat so the engine stays at the correct operating temp., so the other 60% of heat which is worth 200kw! If the sterling system can recover 15% of 200kW, that's an extra 30kw, and the air conditioning probably only drains 0.5-1kw? How'd you like an extra 30kw to play with? [Updated on: Thu, 15 September 2005 15:07] [Report message to a moderator]

	Subject	Poster	Date
	Petrol Prices	godsend	Tue, 06 September 2005 12:59
	Re: Petrol Prices	Sprinter Adam	Tue, 06 September 2005 13:09
	Re: Petrol Prices	ae80	Tue, 06 September 2005 13:12
	Re: Petrol Prices	Evan	Tue, 06 September 2005 23:23
	Re: Petrol Prices	ViPeR_NiPPleX	Tue, 06 September 2005 23:57
	Re: Petrol Prices	rthy	Wed, 07 September 2005 03:52
	Re: Petrol Prices	Norbie	Wed, 07 September 2005 02:14
	Re: Petrol Prices	Shraka	Wed, 07 September 2005 02:15
	Re: Petrol Prices	Corona RT142	Wed, 07 September 2005 02:17
	Re: Petrol Prices	bigg willie style	Wed, 07 September 2005 03:39
	Re: Petrol Prices	thu187	Wed, 07 September 2005 03:58
	Re: Petrol Prices	Roundy	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:00
	Re: Petrol Prices	ke382TG	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:04
	Re: Petrol Prices	suthol	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:13
	Re: Petrol Prices	Shraka	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:18
	Re: Petrol Prices	Corona RT142	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:21
	Re: Petrol Prices	rthy	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:23
	Re: Petrol Prices	bubbles	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:28
	Re: Petrol Prices	Norbie	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:46
	Re: Petrol Prices	bubbles	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:48
	Re: Petrol Prices	bubbles	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:49
	Re: Petrol Prices	bubbles	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:51
	Re: Petrol Prices	bubbles	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:52
	Re: Petrol Prices	Norbie	Wed, 07 September 2005 05:06
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Wed, 07 September 2005 13:27
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Wed, 07 September 2005 13:46
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Wed, 07 September 2005 13:52
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Wed, 07 September 2005 14:02
	Re: Petrol Prices	dingaling	Wed, 07 September 2005 14:06
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Wed, 07 September 2005 14:15
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Wed, 07 September 2005 14:20
	Re: Petrol Prices	dingaling	Wed, 07 September 2005 14:26
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Wed, 07 September 2005 14:38
	Re: Petrol Prices	Merudo	Wed, 07 September 2005 05:35
	Re: Petrol Prices	Corona RT142	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:30
	Re: Petrol Prices	bubbles	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:31
	Re: Petrol Prices	bubbles	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:31
	Re: Petrol Prices	ke382TG	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:31
	Re: Petrol Prices	Corona RT142	Wed, 07 September 2005 04:32
	Re: Petrol Prices	Shraka	Wed, 07 September 2005 07:42
	Re: Petrol Prices	Norbie	Wed, 07 September 2005 05:12
	Re: Petrol Prices	Corona RT142	Wed, 07 September 2005 05:13
	Re: Petrol Prices	bubbles	Wed, 07 September 2005 07:30
	Re: Petrol Prices	Norbie	Wed, 07 September 2005 07:34
	Re: Petrol Prices	bubbles	Wed, 07 September 2005 07:35
	Re: Petrol Prices	rob_RA40	Wed, 07 September 2005 05:25
	Re: Petrol Prices	Corona RT142	Wed, 07 September 2005 05:36
	Re: Petrol Prices	Smokey228	Wed, 07 September 2005 06:43
	Re: Petrol Prices	Corona RT142	Wed, 07 September 2005 09:51
	Re: Petrol Prices	Norbie	Wed, 07 September 2005 11:46
	Re: Petrol Prices	dingaling	Wed, 07 September 2005 12:27
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Wed, 07 September 2005 13:49
	Re: Petrol Prices	dingaling	Wed, 07 September 2005 14:00
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Wed, 07 September 2005 14:06
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Wed, 07 September 2005 13:29
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Wed, 07 September 2005 15:04
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Sat, 10 September 2005 17:05
	Re: Petrol Prices	mynameisrodney	Sun, 11 September 2005 06:15
	Re: Petrol Prices	Norbie	Sun, 11 September 2005 09:43
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Sun, 11 September 2005 12:17
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Sun, 11 September 2005 06:15
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Sun, 11 September 2005 06:20
	Re: Petrol Prices	Benjamin	Sun, 11 September 2005 06:28
	Re: Petrol Prices	mynameisrodney	Sun, 11 September 2005 13:24
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Sun, 11 September 2005 13:56
	Re: Petrol Prices	mynameisrodney	Sun, 11 September 2005 14:15
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Sun, 11 September 2005 14:38
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Mon, 12 September 2005 03:34
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Mon, 12 September 2005 06:31
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Mon, 12 September 2005 16:14
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Tue, 13 September 2005 06:03
	Re: Petrol Prices	Marc205	Tue, 13 September 2005 08:02
	Re: Petrol Prices	mynameisrodney	Tue, 13 September 2005 08:22
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Tue, 13 September 2005 08:48
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Tue, 13 September 2005 08:56
	Re: Petrol Prices	mynameisrodney	Tue, 13 September 2005 09:12
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Tue, 13 September 2005 09:43
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Wed, 14 September 2005 15:35
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Wed, 14 September 2005 15:41
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Wed, 14 September 2005 15:54
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Wed, 14 September 2005 16:06
	Re: Petrol Prices	poh_86	Mon, 12 September 2005 07:14
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Mon, 12 September 2005 07:39
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Mon, 12 September 2005 13:51
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Tue, 13 September 2005 06:05
	Re: Petrol Prices	Lucid	Tue, 13 September 2005 08:26
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Tue, 13 September 2005 08:27
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Tue, 13 September 2005 08:35
	Re: Petrol Prices	mynameisrodney	Tue, 13 September 2005 08:41
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Wed, 14 September 2005 16:08
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Wed, 14 September 2005 16:31
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Wed, 14 September 2005 17:22
	Re: Petrol Prices	mynameisrodney	Wed, 14 September 2005 23:41
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Thu, 15 September 2005 00:06
	Re: Petrol Prices	mynameisrodney	Thu, 15 September 2005 01:08
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Thu, 15 September 2005 06:41
	Re: Petrol Prices	Marc205	Thu, 15 September 2005 09:17
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Thu, 15 September 2005 13:11
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Thu, 15 September 2005 13:18
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Thu, 15 September 2005 13:32
	Re: Petrol Prices	Norbie	Thu, 15 September 2005 13:29
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Thu, 15 September 2005 14:06
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Thu, 15 September 2005 14:27
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Thu, 15 September 2005 14:48
	Re: Petrol Prices	RWDboy	Fri, 16 September 2005 02:50
	Re: Petrol Prices	86tt	Fri, 16 September 2005 05:07
	Re: Petrol Prices	smt_007	Thu, 15 September 2005 14:31
	Re: Petrol Prices	oldcorollas	Thu, 15 September 2005 14:45
	Re: Petrol Prices	TRD_Supra	Fri, 16 September 2005 09:30

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