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Re: Petrol Prices

Fri, 16 September 2005 05:07

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It is in EVERY country's interest to become energy efficient. It would give a MASSIVE advantage over other countries when it comes to trade etc if the amount of energy we used to create our products was *less* than that of those countries around us

Not if the country can continue to get hold of cheap oil themselves, normal consumers are the one to struggle with oil prices!

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your communication skills suck ass.

That is a very objective comment, I seem to get the message across clear enough even for you to understand! Very Happy

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Well just so you know, the improvement has come in emissions, safety (notice that the corolla now weighs between 1100kg and 1200kg as opposed to 900kg?), and to correct your figures (which were pulled from your ass) the Corolla (1.6litre VVTi 5-speed manual, petrol engine) uses 7.0litres per 100km (according to the vehicle certification authority - this test is a metropolitan type of fuel consumption figure).

We had last had a discussion and it appears the figures of the fuel consumption are B.S. and people are much closer to getting 10L/100km on their Corollas which is the same as Corollas that are 10 years ago!

Yes, today's corolla is 200-300kg heavier than the Corollas 10 years ago, I wonder why the cars keeps getting heavier and heavier? being 10-20% heavier with a < 30% combustion engine, aren't there much more worthy things worth experimenting? ie. the materials and shape and strength of the cars, the design of the powerplant etc.?
Within our last couple of decades, we had new technologies like silicon wafer/integrated circuit/CPUs, laser technology, CD/DVDs, inkjet printers, LCD monitors, all these technology, the manufacturers have noted that the material weren't expensive, it's the technology to make it that is expensive, and within couple years of consumer exposure, the price of these technology dropped right down, as cheap as chips!
Now think about this, fibreglass and carbon fibre, is silicon expensive? Are we short on carbon? Why doesn't it gets more attention? At a mass produced level, these can be easily made affordable to every car on the planet, combined with metal, these can be used to strength the chassis, side intrusion bars, suspension components, the seats etc.etc. and will easier shred all the un-necessary weights of the car, but do they really give a shit? Don't think so!

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I think the reason that this doesn't occur in cars is because of the weight of the system - please go and look at how the system operates and you should be able to figure out why it won't work so well!!!

An engine of < 30% peak efficiently, with > 70% loss on heat, if the engine is rated 100kW (at point of max power = point of minimum efficiency) then you would have at least 233kW lost through heat, doesn't this deserve a lot of experiments on how to retrieve the waste heat? Maybe sterling system can add to the weight, but #1, these system never received extensive testing, and are probably only in the 4-5th generations, and #2, even if it was heavy, wouldn't still be worth it, consider the car weights 1000kg with the 30% power, if you can retrieve moreout of the overall system (say if you made the powerplant 40% efficient?), even if you added 333kg (33% of 1000kg) it will still break even! And if the sterling system aren't efficient enough, devise other methods, work on thermocouples, or have a steam engine coupled with an internal combustion engine? 70% lost through heat!! Had anyone ever give a f..k about this lost energy?? If I told you the $50 worth of petrol you put in, $35 was actually used to burn in a furnace, and you're fine with that? Surprised

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