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Re: Norton vs McAfee anti virus

Wed, 21 September 2005 10:26

hamgatan wrote on Wed, 21 September 2005 10:01

Blown86 wrote on Wed, 21 September 2005 07:23

Norton and Macafee are both shite!!

Been nuked using both including getting my bank account hacked and losing money using full Norton corporate updated 1 hour before.

AVG is miles ahead.

i would like to know how you summarised that obviously uneducated comment.

let me elaborate slightly.

Nuked is another term referring to Denial of Service, usually pertaining to external attacks on a specified box. Whether this be attacking known exploits in applications or the operating system. Denial of Service has nothing to do with the Antivirus, and usually its the job of an external Firewall to detract unwanted Port connections that might be trying to exploit a systems weakness (i.e. Sasser Worm). Part of the modern world of viruses and exploits is that theyre a blended threat, so once they infect one box, their role is to attempt to penetrate other systems for that same weakness. Antivirus is only going to go so far in these instances, you should get yourself a decent firewall to stop unwanted port connections/denial of service etc.

Of course thats not going to matter at all if someone with a dozen 100 meg Telia.se pipes is packeting your ass, then you can just turn off your PC and complain to your ISP.

Regarding Bank Account being Hacked, You were obviously the victim of a Phishing Scam. Phishing has nothing to do with Antivirus even though some vendors are looking to implement ways to block access to known phishing host servers. What you would have gotten is an email posing as your bank telling you to log on and check your bank details. The site may be dressed up as the real thing and appear to be the real thing, but its masqueraded on some compromised box somewhere in the world. Most of the time in russia or east asia (korea). If you put the details in, its hardly hacking or virus related.

If under the circumstance though, you did NOT fall for a phishing scam, and you actually did have a keylogger or Trojan running on your box (and it would have to be a bloody good one to get those sort of details), then your Symantec AV Corp Ed should have picked it up as most keyloggers and trojans are built on very similar engines. If it was the case, then you have every right to sue Symantec for damages pertaining to the fact that their 'propietary software' did not live up to its stated purpose. But you could only do that if you were actually running a licensed version of the software of course, which i doubt you were. Symantec AV Corp Ed requires a minimum purchase of 10 Licences which i seriously doubt you have gone and bought at a cost of $450+. Symantec aren't stupid. They lock down updates for certain Serial numbers you know..

Heres the scenario I'm seeing -

You have gone onto BitTorrent and downloaded a dodgy copy of SAVCE from some dodgy torrent site, and tried to run the keygen (trojan or worm masquerading as keygen) or crack (same thing) and its all gone peachy as far as you can see.

However in the background what youre not noticing is that that worm has contacted another site and downloaded a copy of the trojan to your machine and installed it (before liveupdate has even picked it up) and is running for any script kiddie to jump on into your pc..

Quite frankly if you use dodgy software then youre going to get Burnt and shouldnt be whinging when shit happens to you.

You also misunderstand the different purposes of different security products. Just assuming that AVG is doing the job because it has a pretty little screen and tells you what its doing is stupid. Its what AVG is NOT doing that you should be worried about.

Antivirus, Firewalls, Intrusion Prevention, Vulnerability Assessment, Outbreak Management, Anti-Spyware, Spam Management, the list goes on and theyre ALL different. Know your products before you go on about how shite they are.

Thankyou for the enlightenment.

I don't run unlicensed antivirus software. The vast majority of my internet usage is actually using my corporate laptops running full licenses for everything.

My bank was hacked after a Trojan was found by NAV immediately after I logged off my bank account, NAV found the trojan, let it access my computer and was not able to do anything to fight it.
Nothing to do with phishing or any other scams.
The bank fraud section identified the hack as being a Trojan and my account was actually hacked after the bank's security system had identified an attack, closed my account and the hacker still broke through!

That was the last time I used NAV or any firewall, security by Symantec.

Many, many times we have run AVG on PCs installed with Norton or Macafee. Every time AVG has identified viruses not found by the other software.
Thanks for the definition of nuked! What I meant was completely fucked by some virus or whatever when using NAV and Macafee, many times. All your theory sounds interesting, but in the real world people like me know what works or doesn't.

Uneducated comment?? Just talking from real world experience, working internationally with high end data processing and data acquisition for many years.

You sound like an advertisement for NAV and Macafee, who pays you?? Rolling Eyes

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