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oldcorollas Forums Junkie Location: Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan Registered: January 2003	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still Thu, 22 September 2005 06:05 Paranoid Android wrote on Thu, 22 September 2005 11:31 Quote: the main reason H2 isn't used yet is STORAGE.... it doesn't liquify, leaks thru almost everything (even metal), and is highly flammable in an enclosed space!!! H2 does liquify, anything does also is is able to be stored in metal or glass, usually if its under pressure it is a glass lined metal canister, with heaps of insulation because under pressure it gets very cold cold is good for a combustion engine, as there is more expansion of product gases the highly flammable aspect of H2 is why it makes an excellent fuel, but then again.... hindenburg sure it liquifies... the boiling temperature of hydrogen is 20K ie, -253 celcius. (helium is at 4K = -269C, and is capable of freezing hydrogen (at 15K?) hydrogen can also exist in a metallic state (so they say) at a pressure of 2.8Mbar.. thats 2.8 MILLION atmospheres of pressure. there is a big difference between talking about storing H2 AT temperature (ie 20K above asolute zero) and containing it as a gas under pressure at room temp... H2 does difuse through metal, and readily diffuses through glass and plastic. joints in piping are the bigest problem, with metal on metal seals the most reliable way (since it diffuses through O-rings ) [Report message to a moderator]

	Subject	Poster	Date
	how to make methanol / ethanol and still	rn-85	Sun, 18 September 2005 14:01
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	oldcorollas	Sun, 18 September 2005 14:16
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	oldcorollas	Sun, 18 September 2005 14:19
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	Paranoid Android	Sun, 18 September 2005 15:57
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	mynameisrodney	Sun, 18 September 2005 22:37
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	clubagreenie	Sun, 18 September 2005 22:41
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	Corona RT142	Sun, 18 September 2005 22:45
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	mynameisrodney	Sun, 18 September 2005 22:47
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	thechuckster	Sun, 18 September 2005 23:51
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	mynameisrodney	Sun, 18 September 2005 23:54
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	Corona RT142	Sun, 18 September 2005 23:59
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	mynameisrodney	Mon, 19 September 2005 00:05
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	thechuckster	Mon, 19 September 2005 00:11
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	Corona RT142	Mon, 19 September 2005 00:33
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	draven	Mon, 19 September 2005 00:57
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	lumpy	Mon, 19 September 2005 00:08
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	mynameisrodney	Mon, 19 September 2005 00:14
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	thechuckster	Mon, 19 September 2005 01:00
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	FWDCelica	Mon, 19 September 2005 01:03
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	lumpy	Mon, 19 September 2005 01:43
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	Corona RT142	Mon, 19 September 2005 01:58
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	Shraka	Mon, 19 September 2005 03:49
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	Ribfeast	Mon, 19 September 2005 06:59
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	mynameisrodney	Mon, 19 September 2005 07:22
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	Shraka	Mon, 19 September 2005 07:31
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	oldcorollas	Mon, 19 September 2005 07:55
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	mynameisrodney	Mon, 19 September 2005 09:41
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	Shraka	Mon, 19 September 2005 12:43
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	oldcorollas	Mon, 19 September 2005 13:00
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	toof	Mon, 19 September 2005 08:32
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	Ribfeast	Tue, 20 September 2005 04:52
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	Shraka	Tue, 20 September 2005 05:42
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	trevtrev	Tue, 20 September 2005 06:42
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	cannonball	Tue, 20 September 2005 07:09
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	Corona RT142	Tue, 20 September 2005 06:56
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	Corona RT142	Tue, 20 September 2005 06:55
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	Paranoid Android	Tue, 20 September 2005 07:37
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	Marc205	Thu, 22 September 2005 06:48
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	Shraka	Tue, 20 September 2005 08:00
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	Paranoid Android	Tue, 20 September 2005 08:05
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	Shraka	Tue, 20 September 2005 08:14
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	Allan	Sat, 24 September 2005 22:50
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	Corona RT142	Thu, 22 September 2005 01:42
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	Paranoid Android	Thu, 22 September 2005 01:31
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	oldcorollas	Thu, 22 September 2005 06:05
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	Shraka	Thu, 22 September 2005 02:11
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	Corona RT142	Thu, 22 September 2005 02:27
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	Sigmeister	Thu, 22 September 2005 04:03
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	Corona RT142	Thu, 22 September 2005 04:04
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	Sigmeister	Thu, 22 September 2005 04:44
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	Phyro	Thu, 22 September 2005 06:53
	Re: how to make methanol / ethanol and still	oldcorollas	Thu, 22 September 2005 07:09

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