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Manny Forums Junkie Location: Sydney Registered: May 2002	Re: FS- ARC front mount suit JZA70 Supra or maybe JZZ30 Soarer Thu, 20 February 2003 13:27 Soarer21 Just to bud in here with my 2 cents worth. These sorts of hypothetical arguments don't do much for the forum and I don't like seeing a long standing club member offering information to other members being ridiculed by you, a relatively new member, just because the information you provide is challenged. JZZ30MAN is referring to my ARE cored 630x300x75(core size) front mounted intercooler. It is a genuine custom intercooler designed for a turbo charged, hi-performance, petrol engine and not a cut down and dipped truck core. My intercooler dropped my intake temperatures at Wakefield from 70+ degrees with the stock side mount to under 30 degrees with the front mount at similar ambient temperatues but with substantial more torque/power output. The pressure drop from the turbos to the intake manifold across the intercooler was reduced by about 2 psi as well. Low and mid range torque received a substantial hike and max power was increased by about 15% at that level of modification - all for $700. Current level of modification of the engine and support systems does not allow the engine to make more than 250rwkw - this does not mean this intercooler will not allow more power to be generated with further modifications. He is very correct in his advice that your intercooler is not appropriate for a well suited fit on a MKIII Soarer, as you suggested, without considerable modifications - cooling/air flow to the radiator would probably be comprimised after shrouding your intercooler, pipework is inappropriate, height is marginally excessive and the size is not significantly larger than a stock Soarer intercooler. Most Soarer owners would agree that your intercooler is too narrow, even the common stock GTR replacement that you mention is 600mm wide. When comparing efficiency of intercoolers, this needs to be done in relative terms. You can not say that your 460x325x70 $900 intercooler is more or less efficient than the 630x300x75 $700 one as neither has been tested on the same equipment under the same conditions. You could assume that if your core was 600mm rather than 460mm wide using the same construction method and material it would be more efficuent and that if my $700 intercooler was 400mm instead of 630mm using the same construction methods and material that it would be less efficient. This argument is also without consideration for inlet and outlet pipe sizes and end tank design. I would argue that ARC make excellent intercoolers but unfortunately are rather expensive as a result of cost of Japanese labour. I would also argue that high quality Australian sourced/made intercoolers are at least as good but at a more reasonable cost. For a MKII Soarer or MKIII Supra application, I believe your intercooler size is appropriate if the buyer is happy with your negotiable price but, for a MKIII Soarer application (as you suggested) I would agree with JZZ30MAN that there are more appropriate and more economical new and used intercooler options available. FWIW, it mat be your post but it is 'our' thread once it is posted on a public forum and our right to challenge your information or destroy it, to use your words. This is not a commercial business selling with the safety of statutory consumer protection and as such is a case of buyer beware - as a group of enthusiasts, we regularly challenge information where clarity is required as a means of our consumer protection. It's the nature of posting on public forums and discourages bad dealings between members. Apologies for my long, wordy post - my English lacks the eloquence of others. [Updated on: Thu, 20 February 2003 13:41] [Report message to a moderator]

	Subject	Poster	Date
	FS- ARC front mount suit JZA70 Supra or maybe JZZ30 Soarer	soarer21	Tue, 18 February 2003 13:54
	Re: FS- ARC front mount suit JZA70 Supra or maybe JZZ30 Soarer	SkiDMaN	Wed, 19 February 2003 14:24
	Re: FS- ARC front mount suit JZA70 Supra or maybe JZZ30 Soarer	soarer21	Wed, 19 February 2003 23:15
	Re: FS- ARC front mount suit JZA70 Supra or maybe JZZ30 Soarer	JZZ30MAN	Wed, 19 February 2003 23:18
	Re: FS- ARC front mount suit JZA70 Supra or maybe JZZ30 Soarer	soarer21	Wed, 19 February 2003 23:29
	Re: FS- ARC front mount suit JZA70 Supra or maybe JZZ30 Soarer	JZZ30MAN	Wed, 19 February 2003 23:35
	Re: FS- ARC front mount suit JZA70 Supra or maybe JZZ30 Soarer	soarer21	Wed, 19 February 2003 23:42
	Re: FS- ARC front mount suit JZA70 Supra or maybe JZZ30 Soarer	JZZ30MAN	Wed, 19 February 2003 23:47
	Re: FS- ARC front mount suit JZA70 Supra or maybe JZZ30 Soarer	soarer21	Thu, 20 February 2003 00:37
	Re: FS- ARC front mount suit JZA70 Supra or maybe JZZ30 Soarer	JZZ30MAN	Thu, 20 February 2003 00:57
	Re: FS- ARC front mount suit JZA70 Supra or maybe JZZ30 Soarer	soarer21	Thu, 20 February 2003 01:31
	Re: FS- ARC front mount suit JZA70 Supra or maybe JZZ30 Soarer	Manny	Thu, 20 February 2003 13:27
	Re: FS- ARC front mount suit JZA70 Supra or maybe JZZ30 Soarer	soarer21	Thu, 20 February 2003 23:31
	Re: FS- ARC front mount suit JZA70 Supra or maybe JZZ30 Soarer	JZZ30MAN	Fri, 21 February 2003 00:11
	Re: FS- ARC front mount suit JZA70 Supra or maybe JZZ30 Soarer	Manny	Fri, 21 February 2003 07:27

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