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Re: OFFICIAL NEW FORUMS DISCUSSION THREAD - drop kicks NOT welcome

Thu, 24 November 2005 23:55

A lot of debate has bounced back and forth so far, and I'm not even going to try to respond to all of it and will refrain from entering into too much of the discussion so far. Below are my thoughts on your initial post. I often refrain from replying to a lot of controversial things on these forums due to my position on the Board requiring me to remain diplomatic about things. In this case, since you have been so frank with us, I shall do the same.

4DaDrift wrote on Wed, 23 November 2005 19:48

ok toymods board
serisouly,
how many more of the original and old timers crew are the current board going to drive away ?

You keep harping on this notion of us "driving old timers away". Just out of interest - how many of these originals and old timers are you still in touch with? Now - If you're unhappy with that number, please think seriously about whether you think this is the fault of the Board or your own.

For a lot of people, the decision to retain an involvement in the club is based on a lot of things, probably the least of which has anything at all to do with the sign-up process for the forums! MOST people's lives are governed by a lot of other things as well. Growing families, changing work commitments, different hobbies etc all play an important part in this, and it's up to the individual to decide which areas of their lives they are going to prioritise.

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by memory there are virtually no members left from those from the original icq groups that were before my time (1st few months from original conception) here and not all are active members in these forums (which were created to replace the toymods car club icq groups which changed to yahoo groups when icq sold out) so effectively this is an appendage of the toymods car club and not a seperate entity

A lot of old timers (yes I have met, spoken to and discussed this with some of them) are not active on the forums because of the degrade in quality which they have seen on the forums.

From what i can see you are quick to point out that we are driving people away, yet if we try and do anything to change the state of the forums you accuse us of not being welcoming or encouraging to new members.. Please explain your logic, because from where I stand it is fundamentally flawed. Which side of the fence would you prefer to sit on?

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it is the current main form of new members and recruiting
id imagine (w/o privelaged info like financial details) that it also is the main fundraising form for the car club as well
seriously, is this an appendage of toymods car club or a totally seperate eitnity ?
make your minds up and reflect this accordingly in the registered url

This has been addressed by others already. Membership and Financial reports are given at monthly meetings and are open to club members.

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not everyone is as high and almighty as those in the favourable list of the current board or i should elaborate further, specific majority of members

Maybe I'm missing something here, however it seems as though you're upset because you're not as "in the loop" as some people who participate in club events and contribute in ways other than to whinge and bitch and moan.

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how can they prove themselves if theyre riddiculed from the onset and not mentored

How can we retain the long term, old-timers etc, if what the majority of them want is a higher quality technical content? I know of at least one very early club member and ex board member who basically got fed up with the forums as people (some n00bs) seem unwilling to try and help themselves anymore. Instead of doing some research and trying to learn something for themselves, they will simply join a forum and ask a question that they probably could have found the answer to without even trying that hard. These long term members will then be told to go and get fucked, for suggesting that these new members try to find the answer first. Again - We can try and promote a higher technical knowledge base and keep more of these long term members around, but it seems that won't satisfy some others..

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the new forums is a good start yet misguided
people are uncomfortable sharing details with financial institutions so what gives the curent board the right to demand this from old and new users alike

Said people should be less freakin' paranoid.

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mind you, i can appreciate that lawsuits against dodgy sellers in here are easier with contact details yet these are unsubstanciated at best and at worse it means toymods are breachign the privacy act to cofnirm these details

As already mentioned - We will not be divulging any personal details obtained during signup unless this information is demanded by a court/law enforcement body.

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my sig shows the only choice those not happy with the current setup have to make a real difference

I truly believe you really do have too much free time. Most normal people are too busy with their own lives to constantly be criticising government/authority/any other body for all the problems in the world. The Toymods Board is not a body of FASCISTS, nor is there any political alliance that I am aware of.

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if mods have a prob , try approaching me first so a compramise can be reached like mature adults rather than weilding a big stick that reflects the egos of some in the position of power and possibly is used to substitutean insecurity complex for whatever reasons.....
goes a great distance towards avoiding bad blood and allowing adults to wash out bad blood and resolve issue between them that then isnt carried over to the whole forums and affects everyone

I'm not going to bother with this one.. I'm having enough trouble trying to keep reasonably calm here and I don't think I can keep it up much longer if I try and respond to coments such as this.

Basically, the above thoughts are my own and I do not want anybody to try and claim that they represent the position of the rest of the Toymods Board. I'm going to try and refrain from entering further debate on anything said above as I don't think it will be constructive. I've said most of what I feel and will leave it at that.

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