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RWDboy
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Re: 302 has arrived!	Tue, 04 March 2003 13:50

Whoever the ** robbosgaybrother and mummy is, you are wasting your time and server space, and in fact, the energy required for you to type those messages, and the wasted kJ I'm having to spend telling you to *ing grow up. Now I agree personally that putting a 302 in a Supra is pretty much sacrilege, but that doesn't mean I should come up with lame ass jokes that no one would laugh at except for a few 12 y.o. pre-pubescent retards. I seriously hope that this isn't your best attempt at humour, and perhaps you are trying to make some joke about people who make jokes like that. But then, I doubt your capable of that level of subtle humour. But as the real point of this post, ROBBO, your car isn't going to be a drag car if you want it permissable on the street. It'll hit maybe mid 14s or even low 15s down the strip if you get it anywhere close to street legal emissions. The reason people put toyota 1Js into their supras is because you can get absolutely ridiculous performance for a fraction of the emissions required to get that same level of performance out of the thermally and mechanically inefficient design of the old american V8s. The "waiting and seeing" part is already over for me. I know almost for a fact that when you put a street legal 1Js into a supra and put that next to a street legal 302 in a supra, then the V8 will look pedestrian once the 1Js hit boost. Not that I don't think it's an interesting idea to put a 302 into a Supra, it's still sacrilege, but I'd be putting on fuel injection so that I can get closer to street legal emissions without losing 100hp or more trying to do it with a carby. This is obviously only my thoughts on the matter, and I could be wrong in my beliefs about the text below, but that's what forums are for, to read and take into account other people advice. Whether you act upon this advice or not is up to you, whether people tell me I'm stupid or ignore me, is up to them. The one recommendation I can make to you (if you want HP and to be able to drive it on the street) is to ditch the carby setup. I know it's cheap to use carbies, hell I love the sound of a carby, but* you said yourself this job is to be done properly, and believe me when I say - the proper way to do it would be to put on some fuel injection. Sure fuel injection is expensive, but it may even take less time than it would to get all the carby settings right for street level emissions and you'd get way more hp too. The second recommendation that I would make to you, is don't buy a wild ass camshaft (the kind that made these engines sound and go absolutely awesome in their day) without using EFI thinking that will make your car "rule", because - again I'm taking into account you want legal emissions - it'll be a huge prick to tune the carby for (and it's a huge prick with EFI as well no doubt about that, possibly more of a prick) and it may even end up costing you HP with the simple carby setup to get emissions at the right level at idle mid range and up top etc. EFI is FAR more tuneable than a carby is, and I said before it's true you can get good HP out of carbies in really high flow and pressure situations like 9000rpm drag engines, or even normal engines, but it all comes down to emissions and that's why I think you should investiage fitting EFI to the engine, at least check out prices and dyno tuning costs and talk to some real experts about injection vs carby in street applications (don't know where these kind of people are in queensland) because from my limited knowledge you'd be seriously foolish not to do so, and I can almost guarantee you'll get better street legal performance with EFI over carby. If you want to do it the cheap way, then expect cheap results like high 14s/low 15s down the quarter with street legal emissions, if you want to do the "proper job", then investiage fuel injection. [Report message to a moderator]

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