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RWDboy Forums Junkie Location: South Australia Registered: July 2002	Re: 3SGE vs 4AGE Mon, 10 March 2003 00:12 To add my $0.02 about the actual 3S-GE v 4A-GE debate (and to try not to mention any motorsport). The early 4A-GE in the Twin Cam 'Rolla produced about 86 kW at 6500ish and 131 nM of torque at 6000rpm or something similar to those figures, the later 1990 Corolla SX had the small port no TVIS 4AGE which came up with about 100kW and 141nM....the later 20 valve motors produced some neat figures but I don't know them. The earliest 3S-GE in the '86 Sleeka SX had 102 kW at 5500(?)rpm (this means you have 172nM of torque at 5500 if you do the sums) and 172nM at 4500 rpm. The reason I think for it having such dull amounts of power from 5500 to the 7000rpm redline is because the intake on that engine is woeful, too small a throttle area, TVIS was part Yamaha-designed crap, and also the multi-valve technology is infantile in design. The 4A-GEs are great little engines cause you can rev the nuts off of them (if you haven't driven one, go drive one, or maybe drive a CRX if you can to get the idea), the later the model the better. The 3S-GE is a good engine, extremely tough, but it doesn't have the "revability" of the 4A-GE although it has really good pull down low compared to the 4A-GEs. Later 3S-GEs like in the 1990 MR2 had much better figures, something like 112kW and 180-190nM of torque. And I presume that if you can get your hands on a 3rd gen 3S-GE from the Celica GT (ST202) from japan you'd have a bloody good engine, with good power and good/cheap options for turbo charging etc etc. Anyway, I personally think it's a matter of horses for courses, I love the 3S-GE in my Celica SX, although it's fairly gutless and could use another 50 or so hp, but I also like the little revvy 1600cc engines like 2TGs, 4A-GEs and even B16A or B16Bs (if you like hondas, I only like their VTEC engines) etc etc. I prefer the 2 litre engine because it can produce really good power when modified, is extremely tough, and it's fun being able to blow off Commodores with a little bit of modiification to an engine half the capacity. [Report message to a moderator]

	Subject	Poster	Date
	3SGE vs 4AGE	wannatoy	Mon, 03 March 2003 03:24
	Re: 3SGE vs 4AGE	Nark	Mon, 03 March 2003 03:35
	Re: 3SGE vs 4AGE	benmeyer	Mon, 03 March 2003 04:54
	Re: 3SGE vs 4AGE	wannatoy	Tue, 04 March 2003 00:48
	Re: 3SGE vs 4AGE	Youngy	Mon, 03 March 2003 05:10
	Re: 3SGE vs 4AGE	benmeyer	Tue, 04 March 2003 00:58
	Re: 3SGE vs 4AGE	AE86	Tue, 04 March 2003 03:19
	Re: 3SGE vs 4AGE	Widowmaker	Tue, 04 March 2003 04:52
	Re: 3SGE vs 4AGE	Nark	Tue, 04 March 2003 06:11
	Re: 3SGE vs 4AGE	AE86	Tue, 04 March 2003 07:03
	Re: 3SGE vs 4AGE	RWDboy	Tue, 04 March 2003 03:22
	Re: 3SGE vs 4AGE	Phrozen_Death	Tue, 04 March 2003 03:55
	Re: 3SGE vs 4AGE	Widowmaker	Tue, 04 March 2003 07:35
	Re: 3SGE vs 4AGE	Classique71	Tue, 04 March 2003 11:52
	Re: 3SGE vs 4AGE	Widowmaker	Tue, 04 March 2003 11:58
	Re: 3SGE vs 4AGE	Classique71	Tue, 04 March 2003 12:33
	Re: 3SGE vs 4AGE	Purple_Beasty	Tue, 04 March 2003 21:32
	Re: 3SGE vs 4AGE	fOOZ86	Sun, 09 March 2003 20:54
	Re: 3SGE vs 4AGE	cam_RA40	Sun, 09 March 2003 23:38
	Re: 3SGE vs 4AGE	RWDboy	Mon, 10 March 2003 00:12
	Re: 3SGE vs 4AGE	TRD-ST162	Sun, 08 February 2004 02:04
	Re: 3SGE vs 4AGE	[mikey]	Tue, 11 March 2003 03:17
	Re: 3SGE vs 4AGE	jase	Sat, 07 February 2004 09:51
	Re: 3SGE vs 4AGE	RWDboy	Sun, 08 February 2004 02:17
	Re: 3SGE vs 4AGE	TRD-ST162	Sun, 08 February 2004 02:51

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