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Re: Good new turbo to replace CT26 on 3SGTE Tue, 25 March 2003 12:20 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Hmm.....

Extrusion honing is a process of forcing an abrasive substance through an orifice and opening it out, smoothing it internally in the process, this increases internal diameter and removes any possible turbulence causing casting flaws...yes it can improve air flow by improving induction efficiency. A CT20 is an utter piece of crap...I dont know why you would bother, sure it was great for rally, only because its response was reasonable and with the steel wheel they could push 1.5bar odd of boost through it, heat controlled by the intercooler and water injection. They designed it around response and powerband, these are useless for top end as the exhaust housing is simply too restrictive.

The problem with any CT2x is the wastegates are too small to cope with bypassing air around the turbine at high airflow levels (upwards of 35-40cfm) and cause boost spikes/surge, etc, and they restrict power.

If you're going to waste that much money, just buy a good second hand turbo, make an adaptor for the manifold, new dump pipe, ECU (which you can do for a reasonable amount, Apexi Power FC if you own an ST205), and injectors should be fine, larger fuel pump cause the standard ST205 pump won't cope.

Oh by the way, the only real similarity between the ST165 and ST205 engine is the fact it bares the 3SGTE code, bar nothing else. Even the 165 and 185 engines are vastly different, the 185 was a total makeover of the piece of crap they used in teh ST165 from 86-89 in the WRC, it had a world of problems as why revised it, and the ST205 is that of the ST185 which was good, but they found it still had its flaws so they improved on it again. The ST205 is almost the ultimate evolution of the 3SGTE.

Manifold wall quenching is when due to an interruption in the airstream the tumbling fuel mixture is disturbed and coats the manifold wall, usually in cooler conditions though as a hot manifold will cause fuel vaporisation...pretty basic, so to compensate for this you have to increase the injector pulse time in ms...

The idea of evening out air flow per runner is very good though, and will lessen the chances of leaning out or hydraulic'ing a certain cylinder under massive combustion pressures......but also fixing the piece of shit standard fuel rail can solve this problem, as it basically causes a pressure drop from number 1 to number 4 cylinders....

An increase in volumetric efficiency means for a larger amount of air you can use the same fuel as you would for a lesser amount under conditions of lower volumetric efficiency....

Celicamad grow up and respond like the adult I am sure you are, use properly formed paragraphs and correct punctuation, etc. You are making yourself look like another village idiot. You're an intelligent bloke, so act like one.

Regards,

Michael.
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