oh cool thanks man l will start looking around at wreckers this weekend for cheap rims, the originals just dont really do it for me, oh yeah they are 4 x 100 but they are also multifit 4 x 114.3 lol, as for the intial D types rims it doesn't really bother me l just thought it'd cool as does everyone else when they first get there AE86's, l just got mine registered on Monday and 'm lovin it it goes sooo well for a 57kw engine! mines stock as a rock atm but that'll soon change. thanks for the advice anyway, l'm just gettin started with this whole toyota thing been a nissan man the past few years formely dare l say it HOLDENT! oh no!