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icon6.gif  Dyno Day 7 - Results Sun, 06 July 2003 14:08 Go to next message
A Big Thanks to everyone who came along to Dyno Day 7 and made it Toymods Biggest Dyno Day so far. Especially the people who helped make it run so smoothly, The Stitt, Gary Georgiou, Daniel Try and the Towie for pitching in.

Thanks of course to the Toymods Board, especially those who were there all day (7.30am till 8.00pm) and Dave and Shaun from Premier Auto. It was a really long Day with the last car being run in the dark.

The important facts:
12kg of Sauasages,
5kg of Bacon
60 Eggs
18 Loaves of Bread
4.5 kg of Onions
9 Bags of Ice
A Shitload of Drinks.

Oh... And 74 Cars on the Dyno !!!!!!

And the results were:
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Over 1800cc Forced Induction Class

Brett Morley JZA80 2JZ-GTE 248.0- Killerwatt King/Class Winner
Paul Birch JZZ31 1JZ-GTE 236.2
Norbie MA61 2JZ-GTE 228.0
Chris Howard MS122 7M-GTE 210.6
Matthew Bentley JZA70 1JZ-GTE 204.1
Greg Prescott MA61 1JZ-GTE 185.1
Paul Holmes MX83 1JZ-GTE 183.3
Paul Irwin JZZ30 1JZ-GTE 162.7
Simon Triantafillou JZZ30 1JZ-GTE 162.4
David McNeill ST205 3S-GTE 160.0 - Top 4WD
Daniel Stoodley MZ20 7M-GTE 141.6
Gary Georgiou ST205 3S-GTE 134.5
Anthony Grant RA28 1G-GTE 118.9
Stewart Stephens ST185 3S-GTE 113.4
David Hoban ST185 3S-GTE 110.2
Anthony Roy ST185 GRPA 3S-GTE 95.9

Over 1800cc N/A Class

Peter Watson MA70 1UZ-FE 146.6 - Class Winner
Ben Creswick UZZ31 1UZ-FE 136.2
George Kyling UZZ31 1UZ-FE 128.8
Andrew Green RAV 4 3S-FE 90.8
Ant Banister MA61 6M-GE 84.8
Rob Lincolne ST162 3S-GE 79.6
Karl Witzlsperger RA-28 18-RGU 60.3
Rodney Try MS-65 4M 40.8 - Over 1800cc Single Cam
Luke Stitt MS-53 4M-U 33.4

Under 1800cc Forced Induction Class

Jason Myers KE-20 3T-GTE 190.5 - Class Winner
Shane Paton KE-25 4A-GTE 168.9
Phil Lawrence TE-72 4A-GTE 158.0
Joel Fitzgerald RA-28 3T-GTE 146.5
Stephen Combe AE92 4A-GZE 92.4 - Top Supercharged
Neil Mikolaitis AE-92 4A-GZE 88.4
Matthew Fay AE-82 4A-GZE 84.0

Under 1800cc N/A Class

Jay Huxley AE-95 4A-GE 20V 120.0 - Class Winner/Most Improved
Sam De Francesco AE-86 4A-GE 66.0
Craig Jeffries AE-92 4A-GE 61.9
Paul Holdom AE-92 4A-GE 61.5
Joel Swinnerton RA-23 4A-GE 56.6
David Chambers AE-92 4A-GE 47.8
Blake McIntyre AE-92 4A-FC 38.3

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Richard Creswick R33 RB26DETT 213.9
Andrew Linton JZA70 1JZ-GTE 208.7
Anthony Slezak JZZ30 1JZ-GTE 207.8
Adam Neish AE86 4A-GTE 207.3
Tim Bentley R32 RB20DET 206.3
Kristian Handcock MA71 7M-GTE 178.9
Luke Sheerman MX73 1JZ-GTE 177.1
Damien Ellison VL RB30ET 176.0
Rahfiq Martin MX83 7M-GTE 172.7
Martin Askew MX83 1JZ-GTE 167.9
Cynthia N14 Gtir SR20DET 164.8
Jeremy Kerwin R33 RB25DET 156.9
Dustin Theobald N14 SR20DET 155.7
Rhamie Khamas S15 SR20DET 151.3
Alex Sequeira FD3S 13B T 149.6
Niel Griffiths UZZ31 1UZ-FE 140.5
Kenneth Pang Evo6 4G63 139.9
Mus Akgul JZZ30 1JZ-GTE 138.2
Laurence Moorfield R33 RB25DET 137.7
Jan Christiansson UZZ31 1UZ-FE 130.8
Brad Marsh SW20 3S-GTE 130.0
Allan Langford MA71 7M-GTE 128.5
Michael Nguyen EP91 4E-FTE 123.0
Phonsinh Kittisack Saab 9000 116.9
Mos MY03 WRX EJ20 116.8
Jason Irsag CB80 1L 106.3
Ben Spicer Magna 6G74 106.0
Ray Garlick ST185GrpA 3S-GTE 105.0
Daniel McNeill Laser B6T 95.9
Isiah Thalari Bluebird SR20DEvvt 95.0
Daniel Try TA22 3T-GTE 94.0
Stephen Pascoe ST185 3S-GTE 92.8
Joel Wise ST162 3S-GE 71.0
Micheal Meyer Astra 1.8l 61.2
Stephen Pembrey SV21 3S-FE 59.2

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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Sun, 06 July 2003 14:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
thetoyman75 wrote on Mon, 07 July 2003 00:08


(Name/Car/Engine/kw)

Under 1800cc Forced Induction Class

Stephen Combe AE92 4A-GZE 92.4




Wasn't this the top supercharged of the day?
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icon4.gif  Re: Dyno Day 7 - Heads Up Sun, 06 July 2003 14:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
PLEASE NOTE:

The Naturally Aspirated 4WD power figures are under investigation and cannot be explained at this time.

These Figures should not to be used as a guide to the engines' true capabilities.
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Sun, 06 July 2003 16:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Yeah that 20V figure is about as good as pigs flying...
If the PRB boys could bolt a stocka 20V into a PRB and make that power, it would be all on!

Had a great day!!
Thanks to the people that did all the hard work and made it such a cool time for all.

Once again the Dyno day proved to be worthwhile, not just as a pull for the boys with big HP, but as a helpful tuning guide to people like me... i found out i'm a lucky boy to have my motor still in one piece as its been running 13-14 Air/Fuel the whole time ive had it! Lucky the 1J's a strong motor!
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Sun, 06 July 2003 19:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
[quote title=thunderbird1 wrote on Mon, 07 July 2003 02:26]Yeah Once again the Dyno day proved to be worthwhile, not just as a pull for the boys with big HP, but as a helpful tuning guide to people like me...

I hear ya, mine was running extremely lean at high revs, I'm off to get some 210cc injectors. Rolling Eyes
Next time Gadget next time!
A big thanks to the organisers, my first dyno day wont be my last!

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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Sun, 06 July 2003 20:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
looks like some records were broken.
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Sun, 06 July 2003 23:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
under investergation?? what sort of investergation? would you like to see my car or something? same dyno as the gt4's does that mean their figures are false as well? if there uis sour grapes let me know and i wont come to the next one. ive sent alot of money and time on that car and im really sorry that stock 4age cant match it.
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Sun, 06 July 2003 23:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I've been encouraged to get a boost gauge too... 185 rwkw isn't acheivable on a stock engine with stock boost Razz

4x420v... that's not it at all, but just remember a 1jz-gte soarer only made 140.
And bigfella with his 90 rwkw was most suprised. he mentioned somehting about the way it was run resulting in closer to flywheel hp, and not centre locking or something? (I wasn't really listening, as I didn't really understand) ... maybe you could ask him rod?
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 00:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
4x420v there is nothing against you just that somehow your car must of been tricking the dyno with how it was putting down the 4wd power
cos have a look at the gt4's 2 liter turbo getting between 90-110kw
yours is a 1.6 non turbo to run through 4wd gear and achieve 120kw at wheels would have to be some serious work on that motor.
the 3s-fe in the rav4 nearly got as much as the 3s-gte.... something fishy as you can see

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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 00:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I got some pics up of the day :

http://www32.brinkster.com/turbora28/toymodsdyno/i ndex.html

Enjoy...

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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 00:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
(Dont take this the wrong way i'm not having a go at you in any way.)
4x420v, there arent any sour grapes, but in all honesty i dont feel your figures are correct. Eg: Bigfella 90Kw @ 4 wheels when the car is stock minus a cold air intake. That Engine only make 96Kw at the flywheel. Do you think his drive train loss is only 6Kw? Mate its just logical, your engine is basically stock and you have the car tuned, so yes you are making bettey than stock figures but i dont think 120KW is accurate.

There is an easy way to prove to you that it's not accurate. I did 3 Runs on the Dyno, my 1st was 105Kw @ 8PSI (my low boost setting). Now your car made 120KW, how about we organise for you and me to have a run? with me on low boost and i'll even give you a 1sec head start. Now if i cant catch up and beat you over a 1/4 mile, then your figures will be correct but if i dant catch you then i'll swallow my pride and shut up.
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 00:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
when can we expect the dyno vids to be up?
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 02:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
A properly tuned 20v *COULD* do that power figure. Its bloody possible. With an absolute crapload of ignition advance, and enough fuel to stop it pinging it could do it. Thats what getting it tuned PROPERLY is all about!

My advice is to get it done on a dyno that can cater for 4wd cars better.

Then Gary, you can get your car done on the same dyno, then compare notes.
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 02:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Was a great day! Great to see so many cars go through the dyno, and great to see the MKiv and ALSC guys there too.


.. How can I pickup my trophy? Do I have to come to a meeting? They're very far away from my place.
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 02:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
there may be more to my engine than im letting on (all within the rules) gee120 have you ever heard of power to weight or torque? to you see how long it took for my engine to make 120kw(about 7500rpm) do you know anything about the gear or diff ratios in an ae95 gear box? my car was never built as a quarter mile car. if i was after a 4wd drag car i wouldnt have the corolla.(or a gt4 for that matter) ive spent about $18000 on that car so far,so a trophy is not my main aim.
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 02:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
IMHO I thought that the figures were all over the shop... Was good to see so many people better their previous runs though...

I know a few people driving away with huge grins on their face Razz
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 02:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dude with the 20V ... there is NO way a pretty stock 20v will make 120kw at the wheels without a 50 shot of nos... so unless u are not telling us something... the dyno must have freaked out. Smile

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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 02:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hey guys, I had a good time, thanks for letting us come (MKIV Guys)But yeah, I belive the figures were outta wack. Can anyone tell us what figures they got before this dyno day? That AE86 is an Animal, I belive it has 207!! I mean he kept up with a friend R33 GTR BPU. I love the Manual JZZ30(??) V8 Soarer, and the MA70 V8 Supra!

My friend has a Soarer running nearly identical mods to the Blue soarer (HPi Cover) and on that Same Dyno a month ago, put out 298kw@ the wheels. And that Soarer "only" got 236 (?) so theres obvioualy something wrong.

Bretts JZA80, also wasnt up to its full potential, but I think something went wrong with the diff.

All in All tho, Great Day, Barby was good stuff too!!
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 02:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
there is no nos.how do you know what ive done to it? PRETTY MUCH stock can be taken many ways.great to see you guys encourage people,then again its not a shitty old celica is it? maybe things would be different if my car was built before i was born!!
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 02:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
guys give 4x420v a break its not his fault, and if it is tuned properly and it dpoes get this figure on other dynos well isnt everyone going to look pretty stupid!
leave it up to the administrators to decide.....

i had a no so good day as most of u may know Crying or Very Sad my plugs fouled up for those of u that dont know, that why i scored a high of 130kw (thats a bit or sarcasm) so it was boosting to a whole 8 psi yay, next one.....
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 03:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
It was quite funny when norb's supra tried to come off the dyno and destroy the spectators Laughing
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 03:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
KOFFEE-BLACK wrote on Mon, 07 July 2003 12:50

and the MA70 V8 Supra!


Yay, I got a mention!




ps. My post above commenting about the 20v I wasn't going against the 20v producing that power, I was saying that if he tuned it properly (like he said he did) then it could do that power.

4x420v you are being a bit secretive though. If its not stock, say so and we'll embrase your power figure and encourage you to more. If it is stock, but tuned properly, they we'll aplaud and probably ask how it was done. If your going to be mysterious about it, do it to people who won't understand it anyway, don't be a tease.
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 03:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
that soarer with the same mods wasn't taken to it's full potential.
The guy had to stop the runs before the boost got really high, as it was leaning out in a bad way
last time I had my car dyno'd I got 182, this time 185, so I'd say it's pretty close.
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 03:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
for the sake of not starting a sling match, keep your assumptions to yourself guys, for the toyota communities sake we shouldnt be alienating people like this.

inflated kw figre or not it is an impressive machine and did an impressive dyno run.

EDIT: im talking about the 4x4 20v

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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 03:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Paul Birch JZZ31 1JZ-GTE 236.2

I dont post in here at all normally but does anyone know why the above power figure was so low......

a mate of mine has a soarer with almost identical work and it has laid down 293kw with 9:1 air fuel mixtures when the extra injector controller cuts in.... this same car then ran an air fuel mixture of 14;1 and thats when his run was stopped at 293kw, had it not leaned out a 300+ was a definite. This is all on 1 bar boost i might ad

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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 03:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
why on earth would u need to run 9:1?? Lean that sucker out to 11 and it should make heaps more power.

20V... don't get upset. List your mods and i'm sure people will be able to say yes, or no if its possible. But, 99% of people know that a stock or even near stock 20V will make nowhere near that power.

Stock 20V's make about 70kws at the wheels... it would be fair to tell the others how to make the extra 50!! Smile
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 03:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hey I had the most powerful 1G on the day. Very Happy

I bet your running scared now Phil Laughing
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 03:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Draza wrote on Mon, 07 July 2003 06:43

looks like some records were broken.


Yeah, and a diff Smile

On the bright side Shane, I should be able to get most improved next time if I don't blow a diff and tyre again Smile
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 03:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
The blue Soarer only made 236.2 KW for a good reason, it was running 1 bar of boost and not enough fuel. The car was leaning out badly and not run as possible to protect the engine. It turns out the microfueler wasn't running at the correct setting and this is why it was lean.

As far as I'm concerned, and I was standing next to every single car to run, the only results that troubled me were the two naturally aspirated four wheel drives. Both of these cars made very close to their rated flywheel power at the wheels, the ramp rates for the dyno also had to be changed to allow them to rev out enough.

The big indicators for me as to why the results are reasonable is that a lot of people who have run on the same dyno previously got very similar results this time with the difference easily explained by the ~20 degree cooler temps. On top of this the take a look at the 4AGE's they all made the kind of power that 4AGE's have made at every toymods dyno day, the GTR with big exhaust 1bar of boost and stock turbo's also made 213.9 KW which is spot on for the amount of air flow those turbos will provide.
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 03:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Yeah that was a pity dude... a few boys noticed your tire was looking a bit flat outside... its a pity noone told you cause it could have saved you a diff.

THink u will find it went Tire Diff... not the other way round. A few guys with more knowledge than me said that when u get a flat on the dyno and it loads up that wheel heaps harder and especially with your power, it will kil that diff fast!!
Hard luck!! I take it your power figure was at 4800rpm as people said.. that is AWESOME!
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 03:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Krupt wrote on Mon, 07 July 2003 13:36

Draza wrote on Mon, 07 July 2003 06:43

looks like some records were broken.


Yeah, and a diff Smile

On the bright side Shane, I should be able to get most improved next time if I don't blow a diff and tyre again Smile



Damn! You broke the diff?? What happened?? Still a good effort! I was standing in front, and I though i was going to get run over!
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 03:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Quote 4x420v
"under investergation?? what sort of investergation? would you like to see my car or something? same dyno as the gt4's does that mean their figures are false as well? if there uis sour grapes let me know and i wont come to the next one."

OK this sin't what we're saying at all. What Rod meant (to my understanding) by under investigation is that both we and the dyno operator were rather perplexed by the result of the 2 N/A 4WD cars results and want to find out more about how it happens. The theories being bandied around ranged from the dyno reading incorrectly due to the design of the 4WD system, the 4WD system being super efficient through to the ramp rate being changed causing an annomaly in the readings.

We're not saying your car is bad or that we don't want you at dyno days simply that we want to know how the results happened.

One thing I would love to see so that we can put this to bed is to get both your AE-95 and your girl friends one onto that dyno on the same day and see what numbers they run. In this case you'll have a known quantity with a standard 4A?? running through the same drive line to compare to your car and see what the results are like.
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 03:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
thunderbird1 wrote on Mon, 07 July 2003 13:40

Yeah that was a pity dude... a few boys noticed your tire was looking a bit flat outside... its a pity noone told you cause it could have saved you a diff.

THink u will find it went Tire Diff... not the other way round. A few guys with more knowledge than me said that when u get a flat on the dyno and it loads up that wheel heaps harder and especially with your power, it will kil that diff fast!!
Hard luck!! I take it your power figure was at 4800rpm as people said.. that is AWESOME!


I told him! Didnt I Brett!!
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 04:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Id just like to thank all the crew in sydney - especially gary , danny , and rod , who put up with me bugging them about stuff while they were madly catering to the ravenous crowd -

All the GT4 owners - THANKS BIG TIME for making me feel welcom - you lot made the bloody long drive worth it - and i appreciate very snipped of advice and comments on my car i recieved Smile

As for my result - i was absolutely STOKED to quote myself for 113 KW at the wheels - for a GT4 - thats pretty much spot on for a "stocker" with a boost controller from what ive heard ( give or take 5kw either side

seeing outr cars ( the GT4's ) put down 50:50 split power - maybe mr 4x420valves some how confused the dyno in its output - seeing they put power down to front wheel bias .. The figure made by this car was only a smidgen above what mine put down - so i guess theres been some Serious NA tweaking going on there ( and good work if it has paid off to produce those results - WOW Shocked ! ) to beat a 2 litre turbocharged Gt4 on the rollers

( ps: what were those flames coming out from under the motor on the corolla when it was on the dyno - that was a bit scary! )

Im not sure how a rav goes either - But all i can say is for the GT4's - with any mods taken into consideration for EVERYONE of us - our figures seem right ..

Anyway -I hope this gets sorted soon - so far i seem ranked 4th i guess on the 4wd rankings behind the two 205's and the NA. Ill be back in january - with the new exhaust on - and maybe - JUST maybe a high flowed turbo if im lucky !

Good work guys and congrats to all the class winners !
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 04:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
why on earth would u need to run 9:1?? Lean that sucker out to 11 and it should make heaps more power.

You think he wants to run the car like that hehe Shocked Shocked Shocked it hasnt even been touched since it came from Japan....

the car is for sale and to be honest and is being sold as is. There is a brand new Power FC that will go with it for the right price and if the new owner wishes, Luke would probably even get it tuned for them.

Once the car is sorted it should be capable of about 320kw all day every day at 1 bar and with more boost and a good tune possibly even just short of 350kw. What needs to be considered is the fact that at 1 bar the turbo isnt really working, 1.8 bar and your talking closer to the efficiency of a T78.

I am possible racing the car at this weeks street meet as Luke cant get time off work, so we will see what its capable of. With that mixture i wont really hurt the motor so all should be good. I anticipate a low to mid 12 but thats just guessing. Time will tell.
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 04:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
it was an awesome day
hanging off the back of bretts supra was fun Smile
felling that clunk when the diff let go wasnt to fun tho Razz

to make 120rwkw in a rwd/fwd 20v you would need big cams, 11:1 comp ratio and some good porting and fuel

im not baging it out
its an awesome car
im just telling it how it is

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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 04:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
My motor probably should have made more like 160kw's on that boost i was running.. but because of the lean mixture it ran more hp! But its a trade off, cause with more fuel i could have run 16psi and made 200 or so like the other 1j's running that boost.

Personally i would like to be safe... so its finding fuel time for me!
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 04:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
4x420v wrote on Mon, 07 July 2003 12:54

there is no nos.how do you know what ive done to it? PRETTY MUCH stock can be taken many ways.great to see you guys encourage people,then again its not a shitty old celica is it? maybe things would be different if my car was built before i was born!!

Dude,
My car wasnt built as a drag car for 1, a GT4 is way too heavy for a drag car.
Mate i'm not trying to hang shit on your car or trying to discourage you, nor am i saying its not possible on an NA 4wd car. I'm basing my statements on what you have mentioned about your car.

When someone says its pretty much stock, that to me means no actual internal engine work, basically and exhaust system and air filter upgrade and maybe some tuning.
If you believe your figures to be correct then obviously there is a lot your not telling us about.

Bottom line is, all i'm doing is voicing my opinion and not taking a stab at you or your car. Even Dave (dyno operator) agrees that your figures wern't correct.
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ido09s wrote on Mon, 07 July 2003 14:33

why on earth would u need to run 9:1?? Lean that sucker out to 11 and it should make heaps more power.

You think he wants to run the car like that hehe Shocked Shocked Shocked it hasnt even been touched since it came from Japan....

the car is for sale and to be honest and is being sold as is. There is a brand new Power FC that will go with it for the right price and if the new owner wishes, Luke would probably even get it tuned for them.

Once the car is sorted it should be capable of about 320kw all day every day at 1 bar and with more boost and a good tune possibly even just short of 350kw. What needs to be considered is the fact that at 1 bar the turbo isnt really working, 1.8 bar and your talking closer to the efficiency of a T78.

I am possible racing the car at this weeks street meet as Luke cant get time off work, so we will see what its capable of. With that mixture i wont really hurt the motor so all should be good. I anticipate a low to mid 12 but thats just guessing. Time will tell.


Brad, Im guessing Lukes car would do an 11, Ive been in a 11 second 180sx, in Lukes Soarer felt faster!
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 05:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hey 4x420v, any chance of seeing a scan of your dyno run output?
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 06:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
How did mr Dyno operator feel when my car was dyno'd... 74th of the day????? Here we go....
http://www.yweb.com.au/images/cressida.jpg
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 06:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hi all, I thought the dyno day was meant to be for a bit of fun, it is just one number after all and only tells a small story about how a car performs.

As far as accuracy goes, mine ran about what I expected 168.9kw, it ran in the 160's (rwkw) on a dyno in Canberra on the Friday, so it seemed ok to me.

My brother has footage of 4x4 20V having a few flames pop out from under the engine after backing off on each run. Something you might want to check, a shame if it burnt to the ground.

It all seemed like a good day to me, I will be at the next Dyno day.

Shane.
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Afterburners Wink
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 07:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I was pretty happy with 210kw and top M series Laughing

good to meet some new faces and check out some nice cars

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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 07:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
why is he wearing a mask luke?
does your car really smell that bad? Razz
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 07:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
BTW I dynoed mine 5 days earlier at Unigroup Engineering and made 203kw so i think the reading was fairly accurate for my car at least. But yea I would love to see any N/A 1600 make 120kw ATW and still idle below 1500rpm Cool
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Well big triple figure boys, good job all!

I was pretty happy with 79.6 out of the old Sleeka (3sge) Muuuuuch more than I expected. That makes it quite a powerful stockish ST162. But reading this post hasn't got me too confident 'bout the results. But I imagine a any Dyno day there are issues like this. It was fun for sure.

Ok, so I stuck some pictures up for y'all. Just click on the piccies for the big versions.

-cheers -

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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 07:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
YAY! Top carbied!
Top R series!
Top day!

I loved it. Although i still need sleep, thanks for making me stay up Norbie Razz

See you all next time.
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im gonna try and get there late more often...

Running third last was great for the fact that it was a lot cooler Smiley =

i was impressed with my lil cressie.. from 140 @ dyno day 6 to 167.9 from only airfilter and exhaust mods was way beyond my expectations.. i was looking for something around the 150's range
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 08:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
also remember the 20 degree temp difference
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pity i didn't run my beastie on the dyno then you all would be stunned by then mighty 4ac lack of power. Laughing
but happy i didn't as i jacked my car up at work to find the three bolts in my front right lower ball joint were verrry much undone with on nut missing. Shocked all fixed now.

go the rollas

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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 11:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Was a good day. some quick toyota's!!

Does anyone know what was in that Metalic Blue AE86??

How many Kw's did it have?



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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 11:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
The AE86 had a 4AGTE in it... It got 207.3kW at the rears...

It didn't sound too healthy though...
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yeah thats my beast, had me confused why it broke up on the dyno, ran sweet half way home then got worse, turned out one the of the plug leads wasnt on properly. Im happy it still pulled 203kw Very Happy
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woops i meant 207.3kw
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icon14.gif  Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 13:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
4x420v,

Jay, Please don't let the comments in this thread regarding your results take anything away from your car. Its a wild piece of work and you should be proud of what you have acheived. I don't think anyone means anything negative towards your car. Please understand that they are just evaluating your cars output with what it is expected to make.


ALL,

Just to clarify the results. We chose Preimer Auto for our Dyno days for a number of reasons, the major one is the great support they give the club and the efforts they go to for us to make the day possible buy keeping the price to an affordable level. For me personally the second most important thing is that there Dyno does provide accurate figures. Its because of this last point that we are investigation TWO of the results on the day.

The two Naturally Aspirated 4WD cars have both the Toymods Board and Dave (the Dyno Operator) perplexed as to why these figures were acheived.

ALL OTHER RESULTS ARE CONSIDERED ACCUATE and a realistic representaion of the vehicles real output at the wheels. There is alot of theories as to what may have possibly contributed the the N/A 4WD results and we are doing everything we can to get a definate answer for everyone.

I won't go any further into the details till we have something more solid to report. Please bear with us these things take ALOT of explaining. Confused
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 13:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
draven wrote on Mon, 07 July 2003 09:30


.. 4x420v... that's not it at all, but just remember a 1jz-gte soarer only made 140.
And bigfella with his 90 rwkw was most suprised. he mentioned somehting about the way it was run resulting in closer to flywheel hp, and not centre locking or something? (I wasn't really listening, as I didn't really understand) ... maybe you could ask him rod?


I'll save Rod the trouble and divert your attention this way so you can better-understand. Razz A RAV4's drivetrain uses 3 differentials; front, centre (viscous centre diff, or VCD) and a rear. The bias on the drive system is about 60:40, but if the drive system is locked (via the centre diff lock or CDL), the wheels will turn at 50:50 bias. Unfortunately this is not recommended for normal driving conditions, or anything really that goes above getting yourself out of a mud patch or off some ice or snow. Personally this function is completely wasted on me because I have no use for it, nor will I take my ride into any of these conditions.

Just a minor correction in the quote too - it's not rwkw. It's all-wheel. The dyno operator told me that the dyno they use is like using two dyno's in one. Therefore I don't know if the front is taking it's figure and adding it to the rear's, thus giving a higher output than expected (which realistically is much closer to 50 all-wheel kw). I'd like to know exactly how it works for both the 20v 4wd wagon (120kw) and mine (90.8kw). I didn't expect a lot from mine, but it pulled bloody hard to get it's results. It shocked the shit out of me when I saw the dyno graph climb as high as it did. It sounded awesome, to hear the cold air intake get some fresh air (which right now it's not really, but working on it), and really rev up there without worrying about it breaking down on the dyno. Not being on one of these things before, I had no idea if my ride would be able to handle it. Now I know that she can do it, and efficiently too. Nod

But I really want to find out how the dyno gets it's figures off my beastie... the figures not only shocked me, but also had me quite excited until the dyno operator told me the diff multiplication comes into it as well.

Here's my graph..
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~skyfire/ToyMods Dyno Day 7/ULTRAV dyno sheet.JPG
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Re: Dyno Day 7 - Results Mon, 07 July 2003 14:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hey Joel... did that burnout come out on film... if not i wasted $200 worth of tread! haha.

$300 each tires r now rooted!
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DiZ_ wrote on Mon, 07 July 2003 13:09

It was quite funny when norb's supra tried to come off the dyno and destroy the spectators Laughing

I told the dyno guy he'd have to strap the car down, but would he listen? Noooo! Very Happy

Thanks to the organisers of the day, I had a great time and I'm pretty stoked with my result. 228kw ain't bad for a stocker! Wink

I'll see you all next year, hopefully with a few more goodies under the bonnet. Heheh...
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Norbie wrote on Tue, 08 July 2003 09:41

I'll see you all next year, hopefully with a few more goodies under the bonnet. Heheh...




You gonna put 2 2JZ's under there?? Or did you mean a few guys from that british TV show in the 80s. Goodie goodie yum yum. Laughing

Driving in front of you at night I knew when you hit it because your lights would rise up to rearview mirror height. Very cool.
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