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Mon, 24 March 2003 00:45
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Pulled up next to an XR6 Turbo on Friday night and was checking it out at the lights.
Lights go green and I hear wheelspin. I go WTF? He was going for it, so I pop my clutch back in and ride it till I got full boost. By that time he was two car lengths ahead, but that's where he stayed until I backed off at the end of 2nd.
Would've liked another run with a proper launch. This was also after 2.5 hours in the freeway, and I'd just filled up my tank to full.
I reckon I would've had him in 3rd and if I didn't have all the excess weight from the fuel and all my luggage (and mountain bike) that I took back up from Canberra.
Just had a look at the PCOTY issue of Motor and they got 6.24s (0-100km/h) and 14.35s quarter mile from the XR6 Turbo. A bit faster than what I reckon my car would do...
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Mon, 24 March 2003 01:04
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Sounds promising dude. MOTOR actually got 14.1 out of the XR6 turbo on the first time they tested it against a Commodore SS, so I think you've done well 
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Mon, 24 March 2003 05:52
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i don't know how much your car weighs, but my car weighs about 1500kg and it has a 1g-gte and it would do about 15.5. I assume your car would be quite a bit lighter and would make for a pretty quick little car.
Just make sure you are ready next time!
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Mon, 24 March 2003 06:21
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I had a run-in with one a few weeks ago.
admittedly the 1jz isn't at it's best yet (getting fixed on saturday tho!)
I was only slowly pulling ahead... but I think he was more suprised that I was beating him than I was about how close it was
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Mon, 24 March 2003 06:47
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My car weighed 1220kg with half a tank. Full street trim, including assorted clothing and shit in the boot. 
I'd say my car would do a mid-14 quarter.
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Mon, 24 March 2003 10:09
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WTF ?!?! u got beat ?  No............
Ok lemme upgrade my turbos before my celica hits the road..
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Mon, 24 March 2003 10:11
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les just run 15psi and you smash em
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Mon, 24 March 2003 10:25
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spoken like a true warrior hehe
i think 15psi may root my engine w/o a larger intercooler / computer..
maybe later - its actually QUICK enough for me already !
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Mon, 24 March 2003 10:31
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bah go 15psi 
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Mon, 24 March 2003 10:36
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"quick enough"??
what does that mean?
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Tue, 25 March 2003 07:27
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Do you have some respect for the Xr6 Turbo now Nark ??
i remember reading another thread where you had a good flame at em 
luggage or no luggage - for a turbo family car , to beat your 1ggte is pretty sweet effort:)
your just lucky he didnt have an aftermarket tuned one - then it would have been mega embarressing ..
PS Motor tested the facon GT in the latest issue - got a 14 flat from it - seeing though its about 150 + kg heavier than the XR6 turbo , has 2 more cilynders , and 50KW More power - id say the XR6 turbo in the right tuners hands will certainly be the Ford to get !
HI-po imports gave one a burn against a 2jzgte supra - said while the supra is still the king of the turbo 6's - the falcon showed a lot of guts to nearly match it ..
It deserves respect boys and girls - be WARY if you try and take one on - you might end up with a red face
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Tue, 25 March 2003 08:04
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Err... He was lucky that:
* Had just been on the freeway for 2.5 hours
* Had just filled up my tank to full
* Had a car full of luggage
* Was not expecting a run
The only reason he got me was that I didn't expect him. If you take away the launch, it was dead even.
A rerun would've had him beat 'coz I would've been in the boost band way quicker.
If my car was in better condition, I would've beaten him more convincingly.
A fast car in a straight line doesn't make a good car. I still have no respect for the XR6 Turbo for the reasons I outlined previously.
I'd take a 200SX any day.
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Tue, 25 March 2003 09:24
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You are the excuse king nark
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Tue, 25 March 2003 09:32
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laffs !! 
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Tue, 25 March 2003 11:47
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lmao !
as much as i hate 1ggte's they are indeed toyota and still a 15(?) or so year old motor and still going strong
ford is using a larger capacity motor, not sure of the turbo size and it is still only neck and neck with a 15 year old motor ?....LOL
which is worth more at the end of the day ?...and in 5 years they will be giving away those fords as boat anchors, a ford never lasts why do you think they are worth nothing
a race to the bottom of the ocean ?....a ford will win that anyday
and you say respect ford ?....where is your head at
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Tue, 25 March 2003 12:15
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the fords run a garrett GT40 at 6psi standard.
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Tue, 25 March 2003 12:19
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a gt-40?
cant wait for them to start getting written off... I could do with one or 2 of those
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Tue, 25 March 2003 12:28
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| Nark wrote on Tue, 25 March 2003 19:04 |
Err... He was lucky that:
* Had just been on the freeway for 2.5 hours
* Had just filled up my tank to full
* Had a car full of luggage
* Was not expecting a run
The only reason he got me was that I didn't expect him. If you take away the launch, it was dead even.
A rerun would've had him beat 'coz I would've been in the boost band way quicker.
If my car was in better condition, I would've beaten him more convincingly.
A fast car in a straight line doesn't make a good car. I still have no respect for the XR6 Turbo for the reasons I outlined previously.
I'd take a 200SX any day.
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IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF
u refuse to accept defeat maxwell !!! as celicamad says, its good to be able to compare a 88+ engine to a 03 engine
enough said !
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Tue, 25 March 2003 23:08
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Ha!
Put it this way.
I'd be damn eager for a rematch.
I think he'd prolly have second thoughts.
A win only counts when both people are willing to go from the green. Irregardless of all the other "excuses", I was not expecting a run when he dumped the clutch.
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Tue, 25 March 2003 23:36
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| Nark wrote on Wed, 26 March 2003 10:08 |
I was not expecting a run when he dumped the clutch.
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yeah but how do we know this isnt an excuse also? 
face it nark u may as well have been driving the 21R-C and in place of the ford is a chicky in a barina
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Tue, 25 March 2003 23:48
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hehehe Nah, 'coz that time, I tried my hardest to get in front of her! 
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Wed, 26 March 2003 01:03
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If we're talking 4ltr turbos, I'd rather put a couple on mine any day, than buy an XR6...240KW isn't THAT good for a boosted engine of that size. (having said that, if you were to run it at, say, 15PSI it would really be an entirely different matter... ).
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Wed, 26 March 2003 05:04
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Some people need to wake up and look at the big picture...who cares really if it makes 240kW peak power, the fact is it produces a solid 450Nm of torque from 2000 - 4500rpm, and the car it self is just so linear...show me many cars that can do this so willingly out of a six cylinder, oh and mind you it also weighs almost 1800kg...so you can't really compare it to an old Celica, though a challenge is always good....torque wins races, power wins arguments.
I know this is one car I'd rather have over a 235kW SS Commodore, its just much nicer to drive. SImple as that.Its a nice feeling to put it back to fourth and have that much ooomph on tap you can over take at will.
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Wed, 26 March 2003 05:06
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And that my friends is why you can't compare 56853kW @ 20000rm, to a solid flat torque curve coming on strong from 1500+ rpm.
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Wed, 26 March 2003 05:33
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wrote on Wed, 26 March 2003 16:06]56853kW @ 20000rm,
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i think u got those figures from my cousins fully sik VL commodore...
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Wed, 26 March 2003 07:39
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At the end of the day it's a big anchory 6 cylinder with its roots firmly planted in the late 50's, suspect transmission all wrapped in a bargy, rattly car. Can you imagine what it will be like in 5 years time? They are the new VLT.
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Wed, 26 March 2003 11:05
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Still plenty of VLT's around tho
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Wed, 26 March 2003 22:51
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no way old skool commodores and falcons are really hard to come by, and if you ever find one you'll have to sell the house to be able to afford it
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Fri, 28 March 2003 06:19
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It's too tempting to leave alone...
The Falcon may be good for 450+ newtons of torque from 0 thru to 2500rpm. That it weighs 1800kg serves as no excuse for it's feeble performance. In this day and age, it should be a crime to build an aircraft carrier and call it a car! If Ford had done it's job it'd be lighter, and consequently go quicker, stop better and handle better.
Fact is - It is just another case of a half-arsed Aussie barge that is ALMOST a real performer.
Max, I hope that you line it up again someday, kick it's ass, and show it for what it is!
Still wouldn't mind having one!
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Sat, 29 March 2003 23:38
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| YelloRolla wrote on Fri, 28 March 2003 17:19 |
It's stop better and handle better.
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they are meant to handle great appearently
http://www.dnamotorsport.com/XR6/xr601.htm
there's a XR6 T with 260KW at the tyres
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Mon, 16 June 2003 09:34
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plus alot of that weight is in saftey gear
your alot less likeley do die if someone t-bones you, and you have to remember it is a family car.
i personally think a 4L dohc with a gt40 strapped onto it is a good thing, once some decent tuners get a hold of them i think theyre gonna be able to make ALOT of power
with these mods APS made 315kw at the wheels
Exhaust system
intercooler
Cold Air Intake system
Unichip Engine Management Computer
High Volume Fuel system
High Volume Fuel Pump
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Tue, 17 June 2003 00:29
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heres an idea.
find someone with an XR6 turbo and get them to go to the drags for a propper run. then go to the track and race them for a few laps to see which car is best over the quarter and which handles better.
just my 2c
mat
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Tue, 17 June 2003 07:45
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what exactly would you have the XR6 dragging and racing against?
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Tue, 17 June 2003 08:01
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what exactly would you have the XR6 dragging and racing against?
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narks car
so there could be a decent race when both people know that they are racing
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Wed, 18 June 2003 00:15
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I'd love to embarrass and XR6 Turbo. Gimme time to fix my brakes and gearbox and it's on!
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Wed, 18 June 2003 09:48
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And in the same time is the xr6 owner allowed to tweak their exhaust and their intercooler or some other little fifddles here and there while leaving the rest of the gear stock ??
I still think the Xr6 turbo would have your ass on a plate Nark you need NAAAWWWSSSS 
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Wed, 18 June 2003 11:20
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dont those xr6's weigh more than a GT LTD soarer?
like 1770 kg or something..
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Wed, 18 June 2003 15:30
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XR6 Turbo weighs about 1660kg wet. That was the weight quoted by MOTOR for their Aussie Muscle Car comparo (which the XR6 Turbo won too).
Nark, you can diss it all you like, but even a hard launch with the both of you, it'd give you grief. A big family car that will run a comfortable 14.1 quarter stock isn't slow, and imagine once the boost is up past the 6psi mark?
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Thu, 19 June 2003 00:33
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| Classique71 wrote on Wed, 18 June 2003 19:48 |
And in the same time is the xr6 owner allowed to tweak their exhaust and their intercooler or some other little fifddles here and there while leaving the rest of the gear stock ??
I still think the Xr6 turbo would have your ass on a plate Nark you need NAAAWWWSSSS
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Exhaust, intercooler, bigger turbo, blah blah.
Remember, I haven't fiddled with my boost either (I have an extra 30kW at the wheels available to me) and I have an open diff.
Had a quick flick through Motor's PCOTY issue and found these interesting facts on these two cars.
XR6 Turbo
0-100km/h: 6.24s
0-400m: 14.35s @ 160.2km/h
0-1000m: 25.90s @ 202.2km/h
Winton lap time: 1:46.28s
Honda S2000
0-100km/h: 6.36s
0-400m: 14.53s @ 158.2km/h
0-1000m: 26.12s @ 209.0km/h
Winton lap time: 1:44.09s
That's the difference between a fat, low revving POS and a middleweight, high revving POS on a race track.
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Thu, 19 June 2003 00:38
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XR6 Turbo isn't a low-revving POS, have you actually driven one? Have you wondered why the new engine is getting so much praise for actually being refined and willing to rev out?
Just for the record, in their last test of it, MOTOR got these times:
0-100kph 5.91 secs
0-400m 14.14 secs
Shit, I know how much of a better car it could be if they removed some of the weight from it (The HSV Clubsport weighs exactly the same), but ya gotta give credit where its due.
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Thu, 19 June 2003 00:40
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As a side note, how do you reckon your car would compare on a track?
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Thu, 19 June 2003 05:52
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Never been on the track so I can't really tell how good it is on there. The suspension is perfect for track work though. Hard as a rock.
I know that the open diff would drive me insane though. It's bad enough on the street. If I had an LSD, I'd be willing to put a lot of money on my car, but with the open diff, I just don't know.
Plus it also depends on the driver. Put your average knuckle dragging Falcadore owner on the track and I'd make sure I stay WAY ahead of him so as to avoid any collision...
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Thu, 19 June 2003 05:54
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Yeah I knew the open diff would drive you mental.
Once thing about the XR6 is that its a big controversial for the hardcore Falcodore breed, so we are seeing some new school drivers starting to appreciate its capabilitues. The Falcon has always had a good chassis, especially for its size, now its got the power to back it up.
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Thu, 19 June 2003 06:27
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Thu, 19 June 2003 10:38 |
Have you wondered why the new engine is getting so much praise for actually being refined and willing to rev out?
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All the way to the 6,000rpm cutout?! hahahaha
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Thu, 19 June 2003 06:30
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Why does an engine always have to rev high for you to think its good?
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Thu, 19 June 2003 08:43
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It's not about revving high. It's about not being able to rev past 6,000rpm.
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Thu, 19 June 2003 08:44
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Okay, let me rephrase that...why does it need to rev past 6000rpm?
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Thu, 19 June 2003 09:22
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having a high revving motor means Nothing ..
that facladore match any screamer ( youve listed s2000 for example ) for power range - where one delivers it high ( like the latest celicas , integras - japrockets) the ford delivers a more meaty low/midrange punch that would see it up and moving well before any VVTI or something fancy like that kicked in
It deserves credit ...
how much does an S2000 weigh ? on that comparison it seems the obvious that its a little more nimble thru the bends - lap times doesnt really mean much for these two stock cars seeing the original comparison was done as a Drag race with you and a XR6 turbo ..
Id expect a S200 to be a shade quicker around a track too - seeing its suspensions setup more as a TRACK car - not a family car . 1.5 sec isnt that much of a gap between the two seeing the falcon would have less balance thru the bends. Stiffen up the suspension a little more with more " sports instead of comfort " springs - and watch which little jap rocket gets left behind
If your comparing your ra with a s2000 - well the s2000 - it got beaten over the quarter by a heavier knuckle dragging family funcar.
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Thu, 19 June 2003 09:24
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Oh and just as a side note - Imagine that car was just a Shade lighter? If it already moves like it does for a heavy car - a lighter track spec car would be a flyer
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Thu, 19 June 2003 09:57
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Hehe, I've already said that!
I think the fact of the matter is, its making 240kW at 5400rpm. Whats the point in revving it past 6000rpm, when it can make less wear and tear by revving lower?
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Fri, 20 June 2003 01:07
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The track times comparo was because we were talking about how my car would go up against the XR6 on the track.
I just keep hearing excuses for it. It's a family car, it's fat, doesn't need to rev high, blah blah.
Power to weight..
XR6 Turbo: 6.96kg/kW
S2000: 7.15kg/kW
And a shitload of extra torque for the XR6 which should help it pull out of corners faster...
1.5 seconds is the difference between light and day on a track. The Falcon is 1.5s faster than the Cooper S in PCOTY, and that thing does a 15.68 quarter.
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Fri, 20 June 2003 01:27
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Thu, 19 June 2003 19:57 |
I think the fact of the matter is, its making 240kW at 5400rpm. Whats the point in revving it past 6000rpm, when it can make less wear and tear by revving lower?
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Not needing to rev is different from not being able to rev.
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Fri, 20 June 2003 01:33
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Who says it can't? Do you know that fact? 
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Fri, 20 June 2003 01:41
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So you're saying that Ford just decided on 6,000rpm for no reason? They pulled the number out of a hat?
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Fri, 20 June 2003 01:43
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Why would they want to risk more warranty issues.
Heres a pertinent example for you. The 1UZFE cuts out at around 6500rpm, but we all know that its more than capable of 8000rpm. But whats the point, people change gear before then because they're past peak power?
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Fri, 20 June 2003 02:00
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So you're saying that a supposed sports car's engine revs less than a cussy engine built for luxury cars, and it's a good thing?
To me, that's a fundamental design flaw. The big bold body kit sorta indicates a sports car, not a tractor.
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Fri, 20 June 2003 02:02
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Who ever said the XR6 Turbo was an all out sports car? If it was it'd have the stiffer suspension of the FPV GT.
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Fri, 20 June 2003 02:04
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Oh yeah, forgot to add.
I hardly think that Ford overengineer their cars to the degree that Toyota do, especially with the Lexii.....
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Fri, 20 June 2003 02:09
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That was never the point
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Location:
Carlingford, Sydney
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Sun, 13 July 2003 05:09
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its just another ford
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