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 AWD 3S-GTE SV-21 Camry mmmmmmmm
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Tue, 18 June 2002 11:23
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Hey, i've just been handed down a CS-X SV21 Camry from my olds. I hated it initially but its kinda grown on me. Since I've got it, its been stiffened and dropped 30mm, new bushes, and a filter, and it out handles most of my friends cars, except a friend who has a R32 GTS  . Im getting kinda tired of the auto (!!) and 3S-FE and was wondering if anyone has advice on simple mods i could do to it.
And purely as a hypothetical, would it be possible to fit a 3S-GTE engine and a GT4 AWD driveline into a SV21?? A WRX-beating camry...hmmmmmmm...
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I supported Toymods
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Re: AWD 3S-GTE SV-21 Camry mmmmmmmm
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Tue, 18 June 2002 12:49
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| ToyCam Steve wrote on Tue, 18 June 2002 9:23 PM |
And purely as a hypothetical, would it be possible to fit a 3S-GTE engine and a GT4 AWD driveline into a SV21?? A WRX-beating camry...hmmmmmmm...
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If your just an average jo blow, NO. If your a rich prick, Yes of course you can do that Sir.
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Re: AWD 3S-GTE SV-21 Camry mmmmmmmm
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Wed, 19 June 2002 02:44
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Someone has tryed this. Checkout ZOOM No.47
Its a fiarly big job, and you need lots of engineering skill and knowhow.
I would advise you get a early 3S-GE motor from a 2WD Celica. Or even a 3S-GTE with the 2WD gearbox. Of just buy another camry with th V6 in it. But I would prefer the 3S-GE.
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Re: AWD 3S-GTE SV-21 Camry mmmmmmmm
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Wed, 19 June 2002 02:47
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what you want is called a caldina gt-t - jap spec camry thing, available in 4x4, top spec got the 3sgte. still make them i believe
of course getting all the bits to build your project into aus might be a problem......
T
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Re: AWD 3S-GTE SV-21 Camry mmmmmmmm
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Wed, 19 June 2002 05:08
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The work to get in a rear drive shaft and be able to drive the rear wheels alone = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Re: AWD 3S-GTE SV-21 Camry mmmmmmmm
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Wed, 19 June 2002 09:13
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It only costs big dollars if you can't do it yourself. If you know what your doing, have a workshop, welder, lathe, skills etc, you can do the rear drive conversion cheap once you buy the GT4 parts.
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Re: AWD 3S-GTE SV-21 Camry mmmmmmmm
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Wed, 19 June 2002 09:49
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How many of us have that setup in the backyard though? (Man I wish I did).
You also have to get it approved by the department of transport. Unless you are an engineer yourself, you have to get your plans seen to first by one and approved by them. Best to do that first before the work or you might have a car you can't put on the road.
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Re: AWD 3S-GTE SV-21 Camry mmmmmmmm
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Thu, 20 June 2002 07:49
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If you have serious enquires, call John Collins Dyno in Newcastle. He had a hand in building one
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Re: AWD 3S-GTE SV-21 Camry mmmmmmmm
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Thu, 20 June 2002 11:37
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Wasn't there a Camry all-trac (same as they tagged the GT4 in the states?
sv2* type/bodyshape?
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Re: AWD 3S-GTE SV-21 Camry mmmmmmmm
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Fri, 21 June 2002 00:11
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That was a SV25, a 3S-FE with a A504 drivetrain.
The RAV4 was based on this engine and drivetrain configuration.
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Re: AWD 3S-GTE SV-21 Camry mmmmmmmm
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Fri, 21 June 2002 08:37
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Thanks for your help, i think i'll stick with a 3s-ge maybe 3s-gte front drive till i win the lottery.
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Re: AWD 3S-GTE SV-21 Camry mmmmmmmm
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Fri, 21 June 2002 13:07
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Sorry to hijack the thread abit, but Camryman, what year was the sv25?
Is it 15 years or more yet?
Just thinking that seeing that the rav trasaxle exits in the same spot to the rear diff as an st185, and the clutch assembly in an sv25 is interchangeable between an st185 (I checked some part numbers), if you could get an sv25 and a frontcut st205 or st185, use the transaxle from the frontcut, would you really have to be that rich?
Mind you finding an sv25 might be the same chance as winning the lottery.
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Re: AWD 3S-GTE SV-21 Camry mmmmmmmm
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Sat, 22 June 2002 03:01
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Excuse my ignorance but what is the difference between a SV21 and a sv25??
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Sat, 22 June 2002 03:17
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Someone already said. Like a normal SV21 Camry, only with 4WD and a few other options. And there are none in Australia so don't bother looking. Maybe you can get a wrecker RAV4 and get that stuff to make a AWD camry.
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October 2002
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Re: AWD 3S-GTE SV-21 Camry mmmmmmmm
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Wed, 09 July 2003 03:41
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hey guys...
I used to own the camry in my avatar untill I wrote it off... 
Although, I did have it dropped 1.5 inches all round, with the exhaust done and it had the best ride, my dad used to take it rather than his merc cause he loved my car. 
But, I have had to settle with a maxima as my fill in car.
However, my love for the camry is dominant...
So, when I heard about a possible camry with the 3S-GTE, I wanted to get one but have been having heaps of trouble...
Has anyone heard anymore on the topic... 
$$$$$$$$$$$
is definately the key player in the equation...
so, is there a 4wd turbo camry out there, if not, is there a 4wd camry out there that I can dump a gt4 3S-GTE engine into...
Talk soon
Chris
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Wed, 09 July 2003 08:32
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There was never a 4WD Camry sold in Australia. In America, there was a 4WD Camry model of the SV21 shape, called the "Alltrak". This was also the american name for the Celica GT-4 and AE95 Corolla wagon. It was not turbo.
If you want a 4WD turbo Camry in Australia, it will be a conversion, probably using Celica GT-4 drivetrain and engine.
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Re: AWD 3S-GTE SV-21 Camry mmmmmmmm
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Wed, 09 July 2003 11:54
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i fitted a microtech to a camry with a 3sgte 2wd
went pretty good for only runnin 12 psi
only prob u might have is the 2wd gbox might not last long if u drive it hard
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Wed, 09 July 2003 12:53
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| jase wrote on Fri, 21 June 2002 23:07 |
Sorry to hijack the thread abit, but Camryman, what year was the sv25?
Is it 15 years or more yet?
Just thinking that seeing that the rav trasaxle exits in the same spot to the rear diff as an st185, and the clutch assembly in an sv25 is interchangeable between an st185 (I checked some part numbers), if you could get an sv25 and a frontcut st205 or st185, use the transaxle from the frontcut, would you really have to be that rich?
Mind you finding an sv25 might be the same chance as winning the lottery.
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The SV25 came out the same year the SV21 did so it'd start to fall under the 15 year rule. You'll find most of the SV25 are scrapped in Japan but there were some SV21 floating around at the auctions 2 yrs ago. Haven't seen any now lately. But if you find one, buy it... then slot in the 3SGTE.
Jonny, the SV25 is the All-trac sold in the states. None came down this way...
Steve, SV25 to a SV21 is the same as a AE95 to a AE92... basically a 4WD & 2WD drivetrain difference.
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Re: AWD 3S-GTE SV-21 Camry mmmmmmmm
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Thu, 10 July 2003 08:25
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I dont know much about Camrys but I think the few 4wd Camrys that I have seen are all been V6 (2VZ-FE) powered.
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Sat, 12 July 2003 04:59
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US ones had the 3s-fe and weighed over 3000lb (whatever that is in kg), i got that info off some US site.
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Re: AWD 3S-GTE SV-21 Camry mmmmmmmm
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Sat, 12 July 2003 12:54
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some one mentioned a rav4 and camry having same stuff??
i had this thought of grabbing a rav4 frame and drive train and just wacking a sv21 body on it.... hahahahaha
modding an sv21 for 4wd would be difficult because as i can see the feul tank is partially between the rear wheels, and im also thinking how will the driveshaft get down there with no tunnel built into the car (of course you could change that if you have the bling bling)
and how would this rear drive train connect to the front?? cause like the gearbox is on the side as its an east/west engine bay....
ah toooo much thinking
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Sun, 23 October 2005 14:04
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| Jonny2TG wrote on Wed, 19 June 2002 12:14 |
Someone has tryed this. Checkout ZOOM No.47
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Do yuou have this article. I'm tossing up whether to ditch my sv21 and get a liberty RS as I want AWD 2L turbo. If you've got a copy of the article that I could read that would be awesome.
Cheers
Darryl
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Re: AWD 3S-GTE SV-21 Camry mmmmmmmm
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Sun, 23 October 2005 14:38
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Whoa!! one of my first threads...
Dude, sold the camry two years ago, for a V8 Falcon  then petrol went up, so now i have a Sprinter
I'd only stick with the camry if you want to be different, otherwise not really worth it
Cheers
Steve
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Tue, 25 October 2005 12:25
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| DJB79 wrote on Mon, 24 October 2005 00:04 |
I'm tossing up whether to ditch my sv21 and get a liberty RS as I want AWD 2L turbo.
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It's not an easy mod. You have to cut the spare tyre well out and shift the fuel tank to fit the rear diff in. Loads of other custom modifications and fabrications as well. Way too much headache unless you stumble across an SV25 which is high unlikely. I have been told the GT4 conversion into a RAV4 was fairly straight forward.
Your better off buying a factory 2L AWD Turbo like a liberty RS if that is what you are after.
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Re: AWD 3S-GTE SV-21 Camry mmmmmmmm
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Wed, 26 October 2005 00:53
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If you have the 'skillz' to perfectly align the drivetrain for vibration free operation, go for it. Otherwise don't bother. Nearly every iunstance of backyard FWD-->AWD conversion have ended in failure, or giving up on the car due to driveline vibrations. Heaps of dudes have tried ST162 body + ST165 running gear, and it just ain't that simple.
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June 2005
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Re: AWD 3S-GTE SV-21 Camry mmmmmmmm
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Fri, 04 November 2005 04:39
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I just rang John Collins Dyno in newcastle and spke to a guy (didn't get his name).
he said that there was a SV21 on the road with GroupA ST205 GT4 drivetrain, running gear and engine. He said it was a lot of work involved in odifying the following:
Transmission Tunnel,
Fuel Tank,
spare wheel well
exhaust
He also said that they were no interested in doing one again. Back to sqare one I guess.
At least I've now got a SV25 manual coming in from the US that I can try to compare to my Haymes SV21 manual to get parts ideas and so forth from.
Now to find the price of a suitable donor GT4 Celica, or at least a frontcut and the main drive shaft parts.
Anyone know a good place to just get the driveshaft, reardiff and transfercase/centre diff from?
Cheers
Darryl
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Fri, 04 November 2005 04:52
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it'd have to be a lot easier to import an sv25, wouldn't it??
my partners folks have one, done < 50,000km.. i'm sure they wouldn't be that hard to find to import?? don't see a lot of guys falling over each other to buy Camrys!!!
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Re: AWD 3S-GTE SV-21 Camry mmmmmmmm
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Fri, 04 November 2005 06:28
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Hi Norminator,
where did your partners folk's get their's from?
I just tried all the jap import places here in adelaide an no-one is bringing them in. I can maybe place a special order with $ brothers imports but that is a long shot as they don't know when the cars if at all will be available from Japan.
Cheers
Darryl
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Re: AWD 3S-GTE SV-21 Camry mmmmmmmm
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Fri, 04 November 2005 06:38
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ive seen a 4wd camry in australia before. in thornleight. was red and looked immaculate and had 4WD and some otehr shit written down on the rear doors
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Re: AWD 3S-GTE SV-21 Camry mmmmmmmm
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Fri, 04 November 2005 06:43
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sorry... poor explaination on my part.
my partner is japanese. her parents bought it new years ago, but they live in Hokkaido, Japan...
they're not seen as anything more than a shopping trolley for places where it snows... so i'd suspect that finding one to import couldn't be that hard. importers probably aren't bringing them in because they don't get a lot of guys calling up asking for a 15yo AWD camry. i think if you found one that they would probably be pretty cheap to buy.
on the downside, due to the market they target, cars available may have had a tough life when i think about it (surviving seasons of snow and ice, and all the goodness that goes with it). you'd need to do a triple check for corrosion!!!
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Sat, 05 November 2005 15:41
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Definately wouldn't be expensive using the 15 year rule (if it was pre-1988 now i think it is)
Some SV21 lover DO IT!!!!
I'd love to see one of these "family cars" pwn the crap out of most cars out there.
Even if if does land here, how hard would it be to swap in a 3S-GTE (ignoring electronics, wiring, front rear tune and all that)?
Considering it's a 3S block. Pardon my lack of knowledge in this field.
-Jay
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it's got the zorst done and suspenssio too