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TA22 Engine Swaps
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Sun, 14 July 2002 23:45
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Yesterday, for some unknown reason, I bought a TA22 celica.
Since the current 3t engine is a bit of a dud, I need to do an engine swap in the next few months to get it on the road again.
So I was hoping toymodders everywhere could answer a few questions about the conversion.
How much does a TA22 weigh according to the RTA (in NSW)?
Is it possible to fit a 1JZ into the engine bay?
(I notice the engine conversions page doesn't list any 6cyl engines for the TA22)
If not, why not? Is it just a matter of length? What if the radiator is moved forward and thermo-fans are used?
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I supported Toymods
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Re: TA22 Engine Swaps
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Sun, 14 July 2002 23:58
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hmmm
4AGE comes to mind  (am in the process of doing this now)
dunno about the RTA but mine weighs ~950kg
um, 1jz, would be too heavy up front - could look at a 1G series of motors maybe?
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Re: TA22 Engine Swaps
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Mon, 15 July 2002 00:54
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A TA22 would still need a lot of work to accomodate the length of the 1G, let alone the 1JZ. Would probably ruin the handling a bit too having all that weight over front.
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Re: TA22 Engine Swaps
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Mon, 15 July 2002 01:54
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1JZ wont fit in the engine bay without serious firewall hacking (i know, i bought a 2JZ and there was no way in hell it would fit!). 1G series is very tight and would throw the handling out quite a bit. All depends on how much power you want and how much money you have. Personally i would do something like a 3TG.
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Re: TA22 Engine Swaps
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Mon, 15 July 2002 04:20
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....or a supercharged 2TGEU 
if you knew what you were doing you could pickup a 2TG yamaha head for around $150, do a couple of mods to the 3T block and put the head onto it, then it would be a good/cheap basis for a worked four banger.
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Re: TA22 Engine Swaps
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Mon, 15 July 2002 04:31
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yeah, the blown 2TG was fun! definately an option!
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Re: TA22 Engine Swaps
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Mon, 15 July 2002 11:14
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Just how long is a 1JZ?
What is the difference in length between the 1JZ and 1G?
If I can't get a toyota 6 in, I'll be looking at a CA18,
but the 1JZ seems like an option which would be very cool.
I tend to think anything is possible if you're prepared to do the work, so I'm trying to figure out just how much work is involved. Obviously I'd rather not modify the firewall too much if I can avoid it.
Surely the 1JZ will squeeze in there if the engine is mounted as far back as possible and the radiator is moved forward into the grille area?
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Re: TA22 Engine Swaps
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Mon, 15 July 2002 11:46
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hot 4s did a story on putting a 1g-gte in a ra23 and it fit no problems. The 1j is also about the same size but it weighs less being an aluminium cast. But legality would be your main issue i think. I own a heavier ra40 and it is not legal to go 2.5l turbo without serious brake and suspension work so definately alot more money to do it in your celica.
ps. anyone know the exact curb weight of a ra40 liftback???
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Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: TA22 Engine Swaps
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Mon, 15 July 2002 12:13
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1jz's do fot in ta22's - we have one in or celica club here in brisbane ..
I believe its one hell of an effort though and quite expensive as in you could probably put a good deposit on a supra with a 2jz in it
I dunno if matt comes onto the forums here - but if not - i can try and track down some details
http://www.geocities.com/jza23celica/index.html
- thats his webpage anyway
1g's or 3tgte's are a better option to fit if you want turbos - or maybe even a 3sgte from the GT4
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Newcastle, NSW, Australia
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Re: TA22 Engine Swaps
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Mon, 15 July 2002 12:21
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With a username like "bored" are you really interested in doing anything anyway? At any rate the 1J swap in a TA22 is not legally possible in NSW as the weight is below 1000 kgs.
Also, Matt Greens Celica is an RA23 not TA22. The only reason you would fit a 1J to a TA22 is for drag racing. As mentioned, there are much better swaps fro this type of Celica.
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Re: TA22 Engine Swaps
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Mon, 15 July 2002 12:25
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I stand corrected - tis a 23 .. then again we havent seen the jza23 at the club for MONTHS ....
Apparently its pretty good ... in a straight line
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Re: TA22 Engine Swaps
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Mon, 15 July 2002 12:55
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Bored: the 1G and 1JZ are totally different engine designs, and the 1JZ is much bigger. Your main problem would be the length, as a 1JZ only just squeezes into an RA23 engine bay - and that's after removing the radiator! The TA22 engine bay is 3-4 inches shorter, so there's no way it's going to happen without moving the firewall (ie major structural modifications).
Helmann: have you ever seen a 1JZ? There is no way these engines are even remotely similar in size - the 1G is one of the most compact inline sixes around, but the 1JZ is huge! Also, the JZ engines have a cast iron block - only the cylinder head is aluminium alloy. This means the 1JZ is significantly heavier than the 1G. Where did you get your facts from??
As a few people have mentioned, putting any cast-iron six is only going to do bad things to the nimble handling of a TA22. The logical choice IMO is the 3T-GTE, as it practically bolts in and it's not much heavier than the original engine. These engines have the potential for plenty of power with a bit of work as well.
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Re: TA22 Engine Swaps
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Mon, 15 July 2002 13:06
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i got my info from a jap importer in sydney. Can't remember which one it was. I was told the 1j is much lighter cause it is aluminium cast and that it is only an inch or so longer than the 1g. I don't actually have any solid info on it. i didn't think it was bullshit cause the 1g he was trying to sell me was more expensive and he wanted me to go the 1j instead.
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Re: TA22 Engine Swaps
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Mon, 15 July 2002 21:32
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there is a big difference between a ca18 and 1j you know (like 2 cylinders among other things)
first of all figure out if you want a 6 or a 4. a 6 will give you headaches trying to shoehorn it in there, a 4 on the other hand will be less trouble for you.
albeit the ca18 series of motors are well engineered they are getting a little old now so maybe an sr20 might be worthwhile. not disputing the ca18 still an excellent motor just thinking of parts availablility (sr20 still made).
otherwise a 4AG of some description or 3SG (tricky) could be worth your while.
if a 6 is your forte, then maybe an rb20 could be worth looking at OR a 1g - again, is longer, and could present headaches...
just my 2c...
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Re: TA22 Engine Swaps
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Tue, 16 July 2002 00:09
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Personally, I'd avoid the 6's unless its purely to be a drag car... 3TGTE would be a good choice if you're not looking at expending too much effort, or a 3sgte if you like a little bit more of a challenge. Otherwise, theres always a turbo 4ag 
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Carlingford, Sydney
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Re: TA22 Engine Swaps
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Tue, 16 July 2002 00:43
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Go the rotar luke
may as well get what u really want seeing that we are going to all the effort dont u think
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Tue, 16 July 2002 01:58
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Most people have said it, and I'll repeat it. A 1G will ruin your handling. A 1JZ will destroy it. Fitting either will be a major headache. I'm not sure a 1JZ will fit...
If you want to spend money doing a 1JZ swap, you might as well spend that money and do a 3S-GTE swap. At least your car will be able to go around corners....
1JZ is much longer than a 1G. It's also 25kg-30kg heavier.
I would recommend a 3T-GTEU or 18R-G.
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Re: TA22 Engine Swaps
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Tue, 16 July 2002 02:09
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Dude,
I have an '80 rolla with a 3T-GTE in it, would you consider a trade with some cash difference, or perhaps you would like to buy the car itself, gimme a yell.
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Re: TA22 Engine Swaps
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Tue, 16 July 2002 07:31
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Helmann: wreckers/importers will tell you any old shit if they're trying to tell you something. You're better off getting your info from a less biased source!
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Re: TA22 Engine Swaps
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Wed, 17 July 2002 03:51
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4SFED, before you went to the plate style mounting for the 13B, did you look at doing a more conventional crossmember?
I am guessing it was hard to get the engine low enough that way.
What were your experiences getting the 13B mounted in?
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Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: TA22 Engine Swaps
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Tue, 23 July 2002 08:30
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Luke,
Just pick up an 18RG, and put a Corona sump and oil pickup onto the bottom of the engine, bolt up a W5- gearbox, and drop it in.
Small adjustment to gearbox X member. ( from memory, I think auto one does the job) Tailshaft simply needs the spline end changed over to RA spec. Upgrade the front brakes by putting in a complete RA23/28 strut.
2 Litres Twin Carbs, lots of induction noise and some tyre frying action await. Most of the other engine conversions require lotsa dollars, and will take heaps of time to do properly.
Chuck
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