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celica performance
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Tue, 08 June 2004 07:18
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can anyone confirm these celica figures on this page?
http://home.indy.net/~seanmac/id2.html
this bloke states that his celica does 0-100 (0-60mph) in 8.1 seconds??? is this true??? maybe its because of his mods??
how quick does a celica go 0-100 when stock? i thought it was around 9.5 seconds? almost the same as the ae82 corolla?
cheers
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Melb, Victoria
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April 2004
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Re: celica performance
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Tue, 08 June 2004 07:34
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i think it does it in around 9secs to 100kph.
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Epping, Sydney
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April 2003
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Re: celica performance
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Tue, 08 June 2004 08:06
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I think it is 9.3 stock.. that dude is not quite right.. it is 0-60mph there which *isn't* quite 100, and the 0-60 stock from those is 8.6 anyway.. not sure where he got the 8.1 from
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South Australia
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July 2002
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Re: celica performance
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Tue, 08 June 2004 12:50
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I don't think an ST162 could make it to 100km/h in under 10 seconds...stock should be around about 10.1 seconds in good conditions. I'm pretty sure Wheels magazine quoted it at 10.1...
Put it this way, a 1990 MR2 with rear wheel drive, mid mount, and a 2nd gen 3S-GE does 0-100km/h in 8.8 - make your own conclusions.
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Epping, Sydney
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April 2003
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Re: celica performance
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Tue, 08 June 2004 13:00
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dude I just looked at the ORIGIONAL OFFICIAL toyota brochure for the the 87/88/ealy 89 revision
9.3 seconds for the 3sge
do not argue with me 
seriously, that is what Toyota say. I would not be far off that with a good launch, but I have no idea how the aussie spec motor would do that though 
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Gold Coast
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January 2003
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Re: celica performance
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Tue, 08 June 2004 13:15
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i have to agree with rob, because i got the orginal wheels november i think in 1985 from tafe in the library, and they usally do the tests with two people but they did it in the wet and could only give passing (rolling start) speed times, and had to use toyota's one person claims in the mag and 0-100km/h in wheels (based from toyota) for the SX St162 (3s-ge) was 9.3sec 0-100km/h
Nezza 
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November 2002
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Re: celica performance
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Tue, 08 June 2004 13:32
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The lads above have it right, when the ST162 first came out, in some circles it was known as a 9/16ths car......mid 9's to 100kph and mid 16's for the quarter mile, and no better without some good mods and tyres.
Cheers,
Mitch.
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Location:
Adelaide
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May 2003
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Re: celica performance
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Tue, 08 June 2004 14:54
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| RobST162 wrote on Tue, 08 June 2004 18:06 |
I think it is 9.3 stock.. that dude is not quite right.. it is 0-60mph there which *isn't* quite 100, and the 0-60 stock from those is 8.6 anyway.. not sure where he got the 8.1 from
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Eh? I'm sure they'd be more than that. The N/A AW11 does it in 8 flat according to official specs. That said, the AW11 is a shitload lighter than the probe.. err SW20. 
I timed my car awhile back and it was somewhere around the 8 second mark I believe (just using a dodgy mobile phone stopwatch though  )
I'll have to test it out again.
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South Australia
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July 2002
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Re: celica performance
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Tue, 08 June 2004 15:03
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I've got the full collection from 1986-2004 of Wheels and they *actually* tested the ST162 and pulled off about 10.1 seconds in multiple tests (in various comparos) and 16.5 for the quarter mile. I'm fairly sure the jap-spec car runs about 10:1 compression as opposed to the aus-spec 9.2:1 compression, also the emissions equipment is different, I think the charcoal canister and maybe even EGR is in some way modified?
If someone takes an ST162 out with a Correvit and gets some times I'd be very interested to see what they actually do!
Plus, I would never trust an official brochure from a company that stands to make a profit from a favourable car advertisment - while maybe they did get 9.3 seconds to 100km/h, who knows what track they tested it on, and under what conditions, with which kind of tyre etc etc. I'd put my money on Wheels being far more objective.
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South Australia
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July 2002
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Re: celica performance
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Tue, 08 June 2004 15:09
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The N/A AW11 does it in 8 flat according to official specs
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I think Wheels put it at 9.9 in their tests...I dunno where Toyota are pulling their figures from. Also the AW11 isn't that light, it comes in at just over a tonne (1050kgs?), in fact, the AE82 corolla goes quicker (weighs less).
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Location:
Epping, Sydney
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April 2003
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Re: celica performance
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Tue, 08 June 2004 21:55
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oh yeah FWDboy, I am absolutely certain that wheels would be more objective, but if you want the stock report from the manufacturer then it is 9.3 (in australian brochures too!)
this seems a little optimistic to me too, but there you go... I think 9.9 is more accurate though
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South Australia
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July 2002
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Re: celica performance
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Wed, 09 June 2004 00:43
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hehe - I'll take 9.3 for sure
It'd be nice to get an actual figure from one of us though, the problem is getting hands on the equipment. A quarter mile time is all well and good, but 0-100km/h times seem to have more street application
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Location:
Canberra
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April 2003
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Location:
toowoomba qld
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March 2004
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Re: celica performance
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Wed, 09 June 2004 10:25
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I'd rather take the manufactures word then ANY motoring magazines word as everyone has an opinion (there like asshole's everyone has one) at least with the manufacturer you can get some idea of true performance unlike magazines that favor other cars and give cars they don't like a bad name
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Location:
Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: celica performance
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Wed, 09 June 2004 11:07
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my corona rt142 avante with 52rwKW did 11.28 0-100
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Location:
South Australia
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July 2002
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Re: celica performance
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Wed, 09 June 2004 13:32
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I'd rather take the manufactures word then ANY motoring magazines word as everyone has an opinion (there like asshole's everyone has one) at least with the manufacturer you can get some idea of true performance unlike magazines that favor other cars and give cars they don't like a bad name
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Eh? That is also an opinion
I don't think that they would purposely drive a car slowly to discredit it...
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Location:
Northgate, QLD
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July 2003
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November 2002
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Re: celica performance
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Thu, 10 June 2004 00:12
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Having worked directly for a new vehicle manufacturer I can state for a fact that the performance figures they quote can either be optimistic or pessimistic depending on the purpose the manufacturer wants to serve with that particular model.
Car magazine testing is independent and repeatable and realistic, as the magazines' entire credibility rests upon it.
So, if 3 or 4 different mags have got 9.3 to 9.6 for 0-100
and 16.2 to 16.5 for 0-400m for a standard ST162, that is what the damn thing will do !
Amen.
Mitch.
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South Australia
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July 2002
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Re: celica performance
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Thu, 10 June 2004 01:33
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I'd say that it's probably pretty difficult to get 0-100km/h in 9.5 in a celica SX - but I concede it may be possible. However - under 9 seconds would not be (without other factors coming in to play)
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November 2002
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Re: celica performance
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Thu, 10 June 2004 04:53
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Don't you have this backwards ?????
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Location:
Adelaide
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May 2003
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Re: celica performance
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Thu, 10 June 2004 11:46
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The AW11 figures I posted earlier might be refering to the 85' models actually. These were alot lighter than their older counterparts, (just under a ton, I believe) but they only come out in Japan. I got it from a book somewhere, but then again it's not exactly a reliable source.
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Location:
Melbourne
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June 2003
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Re: celica performance
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Sat, 12 June 2004 01:33
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figures that manufacturers put out are done in ideal conditions and done over serveral runs with trained drivers (not to say im not trained )
i done a couple of runs b4, when the car wasnt runnin to well tho and clocked varying numbers... 10.2, 9.8, 9.7
*tho this was a while back but it proves to me that fwdboy facts are rite... but really... i want it to be 7 flat... hehehe
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Location:
Melbourne
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March 2004
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Re: celica performance
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Sun, 13 June 2004 08:31
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OFFICIAL NOKIA STOPWATCH TIMING: 12.3 sec 0-100km/h
That was on a very slight incline (Normanby rd behind Monash Clayton), 3000rpm launch, wheelspin off the line and in 2nd, 6000rpm gear changes. 1 passenger and 2 tyres in the boot
Could've come closer to 10 without the incline, passenger and load in the boot. I reckon my combo of spongy rear springs and cheapo tyres are causing the wheelspin, car's due for its 200k service too.  ... i'm still cool!
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South Australia
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July 2002
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Re: celica performance
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Sun, 13 June 2004 11:47
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I can say from memory I've done (using a stopwatch) a 10.7 to 100km/h (on speedo)
This was at night (approx 10 degrees) with Bridgestone RE711 (195/60/R14) with a 3500rpm start with almost flat road using 7000rpm shift, I didn't try too hard with the 1st to 2nd because of crunchiness due to weak synchros, with one driver and one passenger.
You really need to rev these things out and change crunchingly *fast* (literally, crunch that gearbox!) if you want to get close to that mythical 10sec to 100km/h mark if your car is stock!
I imagine with a better temperature, perfectly flat track, swift gear changes, 3800rpm start and the full rev range you could get that down to about 10.2 or 10.3 in my car...
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Location:
QLD, Gold Coast
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February 2004
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Re: celica performance
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Tue, 15 June 2004 06:20
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I had my celica stop watched timed with a mate in the car and had 9.47, this was totally stocked. and about 128,000 on the clock.
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Location:
melbourne
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November 2003
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Re: celica performance
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Tue, 15 June 2004 07:01
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hat to say it, but the celica doesnt really seem to be half the sports performance car i thought it was.  (although its a nice car)
the ST must be a shocker (when talking speed)
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South Australia
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July 2002
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Re: celica performance
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Tue, 15 June 2004 09:06
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It's not really a sports car...the GT4 is, but the Celica SX isn't.
It's still bloody good, and quite quick. Problem is the bullshit factor, alot of other car owners tend to talk themselves up with figures and various other BS that they can't back up...I like to stick to the facts.
This is rife on the internet (for example, claiming that a ST162 can do sub 9 seconds to 100km/h stock).
If you want to know how "good" a car is, go drive one I think you'll find the ST162 goes, turns, stops etc extremely well for the price tag, and it doesn't look as trashy as some other cars of it's period.
And sorry to say to the Sleeka ST owners here, but your car *needs* the 3S-GE badly - the ST162 is fairly underpowered as it is, let alone dropping the figure from 103kW to 86kW.
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Location:
Melbourne
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March 2004
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Location:
Sydney
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January 2003
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Location:
Canberre
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September 2003
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Re: celica performance
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Wed, 16 June 2004 01:10
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#39 halfplugged, celica, 9.22sec, 16.53sec, 140.4km/h
that is what my car ran when it was completly stock
with a G-Tech Pro
hope this clears ois up for everybody
taken from
http://www.syndicatemotorsports.org/forum/viewtopi c.php?t=2803
(notice the top spot is a toyota )
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Location:
Canberre
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September 2003
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Re: celica performance
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Wed, 16 June 2004 01:11
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#39 halfplugged, celica, 9.22sec, 16.53sec, 140.4km/h
that is what my car ran when it was completly stock
with a G-Tech Pro
hope this clears ois up for everybody
taken from
http://www.syndicatemotorsports.org/forum/viewtopi c.php?t=2803
(notice the top spot is a toyota )
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November 2002
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Re: celica performance
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Wed, 16 June 2004 01:18
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I rest my case In standard form the ST162 SX is a 9 /16's car !
Mitch.
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Location:
South Australia
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July 2002
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Re: celica performance
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Wed, 16 June 2004 03:30
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#39 halfplugged, celica, 9.22sec, 16.53sec, 140.4km/h
that is what my car ran when it was completly stock
with a G-Tech Pro
hope this clears ois up for everybody
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Not really - g-tech readings are notoriously innacurate. Do the run about 5 times each in five different locales and go from there
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funniest name I've heard so far....that said, its comfy, pretty roomy for a 2 seater, and I've no idea about 0-100 times but it gets there reasonably quickly for an N/A.