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S.E suberbs, Vic
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December 2003
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Re: Project 86 - Big technical worklog with 20V + diff + brake + suspension conversion
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Tue, 27 September 2005 12:11
 
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sorry for the delay bobski, i dont know what model of landcruiser its off, I got it off ebay and they couldn't tell me. I will geta pic though for everyone else out there who wants one, it really does fit better than the original and is a great upgrade.
As for the brake bias valve I took the guts out of it for the initial proportioning which is only suitable for drums. Heres the info courtesy of Accoustic:
http://www.my-acoustic.com/Car/brakes/rear_efficie ncy/rear_efficiency.htm
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S.E suberbs, Vic
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December 2003
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Location:
S.E suberbs, Vic
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December 2003
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Re: Project 86 - Big technical worklog with 20V + diff + brake + suspension conversion
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Tue, 27 September 2005 15:38
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Last time I took my 20V out it had no engine hooks, so I ended up lifting it with a sling that went under the throttle bodies, yes I lifted the whole engine by the throttles! For bloody obvious reasons I wanted to avoid doing that again so I took the ones off the 4Ac engine and modified them to fit. Heres how they look:
This one was shortened, had a plate welded on to extend it from the side and then redrilled:
This one was chopped, extended and drilled:
Also notice the rear transfer plate in place and the side outlet.
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Location:
S.E suberbs, Vic
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December 2003
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Re: Project 86 - Big technical worklog with 20V + diff + brake + suspension conversion
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Tue, 27 September 2005 15:48
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More of my RWD conversion bits:
My modified 4Ac rear water pipe, this ones for my heater water supply.
My custom water outlet pipe I made bolted in place. It was made to hold both sensors and to also hold the original 20V dipstick in place.
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Location:
goldy coast
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September 2004
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Re: Project 86 - Big technical worklog with 20V + diff + brake + suspension conversion
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Wed, 28 September 2005 09:56
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This has to be the best build up I have ever watched. When i go to do my 20v conversion this will be my bible because everything is so neat and well made. Keep up the top work champ!
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Location:
S.E suberbs, Vic
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December 2003
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Re: Project 86 - Big technical worklog with 20V + diff + brake + suspension conversion
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Thu, 29 September 2005 00:51
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thanks Mike, whwn that day does come and you are unsure about something let us know and I will do my best to help you.
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S.E suberbs, Vic
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December 2003
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Re: Project 86 - Big technical worklog with 20V + diff + brake + suspension conversion
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Thu, 29 September 2005 07:09
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Well at the moment my car is seriously pissing me off. It goes to show that no matter how carefully I plan things shit still happens. My airbox is useless, I couldnt syphon the tank out, my extractors cant be modified easy and have to be left alone, I dont have enough of the right materials to do the exhaust and the list goes on. Ontop of all that I have had time working against me even though I am having time off at the moment.
Anyway it hasn't been all loses, I did get lucky with something:
I was once again at Super Cheap Auto (love that joint!) and I looked through the pile of radiator/heater hoses and I found one that I thought I could use for my engine, It was off a Gemini. they also had a brass adapter to join the pipe. I took it home, chopped it in the middle, added the joiner, rotated it on the join 180 degrees, clamped it back up and then cut a shoprt section off one end. It fit like it was made for the job, not bad considering I didn't measure anything.
Here is what it looked like after I modified it:
For those who can't read it it says "heater hose to suit Holden Gemini", also included in the pic is the packet for the brass joiner
this is how its meant to plug up:
One end goes to the heater core water supply valve and the other to the outlet on the engine head.
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Location:
newcastle
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January 2004
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Re: Project 86 - Big technical worklog with 20V + diff + brake + suspension conversion
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Mon, 03 October 2005 12:55
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i love this shit.lol.engine setup is awesome just like mine,
cheers sam keep me updated  
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Location:
Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: Project 86 - Big technical worklog with 20V + diff + brake + suspension conversion
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Mon, 03 October 2005 13:45
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Looking good.
That M/C is off a toyota light commercial. Hiace type stuff.
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S.E suberbs, Vic
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December 2003
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Re: Project 86 - Big technical worklog with 20V + diff + brake + suspension conversion
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Mon, 03 October 2005 15:54
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well unfortunetly my camera has died a quick death by the hands of salty water (don't ask) so updates might be a bit uninteresting for a while. I will try and borrow a camera when i do need it. A better one is on the way, so hopefully that means less grainy pics.
I managed to finish my extractors, I am so pushed for space that I hammered the underside of the body a little and also couldn't fit a flange under there. So I will most likely have my extractors, the collector, the flex pipe and then at the end of the flex I will have a flange. Sprinters realy are shocking when it comes to room under them near the firewall. The reason I am cutting so close is because I am making sure that when I hit the subframe just behind the front wheels I want to make sure that it hits just that; the sub-frame, not my extractors. The whole system start to finish doesn't at any one point drop lower than the body of the car, quite a difficult thing to do I must say. This is the price I pay for having such a low car. Oh well it will atleast give me one less thing thats going to wreck my system.
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S.E suberbs, Vic
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December 2003
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Re: Project 86 - Big technical worklog with 20V + diff + brake + suspension conversion
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Mon, 03 October 2005 16:06
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thought I would show up a pip of how my engine looks almost complete:
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Location:
S.E suberbs, Vic
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December 2003
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Re: Project 86 - Big technical worklog with 20V + diff + brake + suspension conversion
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Sun, 16 October 2005 23:04
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I managed to borrow a digital camera off a friend so I have pictures again after a while.
after a huge amount of trouble my stainless exhaust is finally almost done. I still don't know if the pipes will crack with the steel welds but I am going to find out. I won't have pictures of it fitted under the car for a while but heres how it looks on the floor:
notice the metal cat in the middle. It is the smallest size of 2.5 inch and I know it's a complete overkill but I mainly bought it for its size, thanks to John from Importbitz for that one. The pipe betwen the cat and the flex is actually 2.5 inch to suit the cat but it's been reduced to 2.25 on the other end and of course all changes in size are gradual and smooth.
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Location:
S.E suberbs, Vic
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December 2003
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Re: Project 86 - Big technical worklog with 20V + diff + brake + suspension conversion
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Sun, 16 October 2005 23:25
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Heres my master cylender now connected up with some custom brake lines (thanks once again to Rowvile brake and clutch):
I sure hope I got it right with which pipe goes where. I would assume it's the same setup as the sprinter but you never know.
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S.E suberbs, Vic
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December 2003
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Re: Project 86 - Big technical worklog with 20V + diff + brake + suspension conversion
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Sun, 16 October 2005 23:32
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I have now also finished my airbox, this is what I managed to do previously:
and I thought I couldn't use it because I didn't have the room. Well I managed to fit a banjo fitting on the master cylender and I also came up with an airbox design that allowed enough room for it. So heres how I started:
and with the trumpets in place:
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Location:
S.E suberbs, Vic
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December 2003
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Re: Project 86 - Big technical worklog with 20V + diff + brake + suspension conversion
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Sun, 16 October 2005 23:45
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this is how it turned out:
it turned out way better than I expected. Usually anything i make is more shonky looking than this so I suprised myself. I will have to wait to see if I allowed for enough room for the engine to rock side to side.
The box did however warp when I made this and it doesnt sit that well anymore on the rubber seal. I am hoping that it will seal ok when the bolts pull it down when I tighten it up.
I also need to drill some of the original nuts out and weld them in the top instead, this is because I can't access the top anymore to do up the originals, I will have to do it from the bottom.
This is however still only a temporary setup, i plan to have a low mount airbox with long trumpets feeding it, but that's later on.
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S.E suberbs, Vic
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December 2003
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Re: Project 86 - Big technical worklog with 20V + diff + brake + suspension conversion
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Sun, 16 October 2005 23:53
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and finally howmy engine is looking now:
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Location:
Batemans Bay, NSW
Registered:
February 2005
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Re: Project 86 - Big technical worklog with 20V + diff + brake + suspension conversion
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Mon, 17 October 2005 05:11
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great work champ... coming along nicely....
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Location:
Forster NSW
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September 2004
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Re: Project 86 - Big technical worklog with 20V + diff + brake + suspension conversion
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Tue, 18 October 2005 11:06
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I just read through from start to finish. That's an absolutely awesome write up so far.. inspirational to me (to get a new project!). I'm in awe of all you've done! 
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S.E suberbs, Vic
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December 2003
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Re: Project 86 - Big technical worklog with 20V + diff + brake + suspension conversion
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Tue, 18 October 2005 16:55
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thanks guys,
unfortunetly me doing everything myself also has it's downsides, I have a limited amount of time and my neighbour is about to go on a rampage that's enduced by permement grinder sounds coming from my garage on a Saturday. Unless your a car fan or have a hearing problem you dont want live near me!
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Location:
Sydney
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November 2003
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Re: Project 86 - Big technical worklog with 20V + diff + brake + suspension conversion
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Tue, 18 October 2005 23:04
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sam you can come live with me and have my sisters babies for all i care so long as you teach me all your customisation skills and bring your welder!!! hhehehehe
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Location:
S.E suberbs, Vic
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December 2003
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Re: Project 86 - Big technical worklog with 20V + diff + brake + suspension conversion
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Wed, 19 October 2005 07:54
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hehehehe, let me think about it! 
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I supported Toymods
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melbourne
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June 2002
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S.E suberbs, Vic
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December 2003
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Re: Project 86 - Big technical worklog with 20V + diff + brake + suspension conversion
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Wed, 19 October 2005 14:32
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thanks,
ah yes, I went to school with that Andrew, nowdays we mostly have a mutual friend in common.
As for the outlet/inlet from the head, i didn't block them off, that plate has a slot cut into it. What I effectivly did is instead of the inlet/outlet being at the back and the water bypassing at the front I reversed it. Now the water comes out the back of the head only to be diverted into the other outlet by the slot in my thick aluminium plate. Now the cooling system is the same layout as all 16V engines. Your engine being a 16V automaticly takes the water out the front end of the engine so your fine. It's a head design thats unique to the 20V engines that causes the problems, that's why you don't have them.
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I supported Toymods
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melbourne
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June 2002
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Re: Project 86 - Big technical worklog with 20V + diff + brake + suspension conversion
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Thu, 20 October 2005 10:25
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cool, just didnt want you to go cooking your engine
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I supported Toymods
Location:
Frankston, Victoria
Registered:
April 2004
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Re: Project 86 - Big technical worklog with 20V + diff + brake + suspension conversion
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Sun, 23 October 2005 12:49
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Can't wait to finally see it running Sam, should be insane .
Four weeks till the night cruise, and I'll be down in melb from friday afternoon till the saturday night of the cruise, so I'll be happy to help until late friday night if you don't have it done by then.
The amount of experience I've earned in the past 4 weeks is amazing, a 4AGE conversion is definetely a worth-while experience, especially in your case, doing everything right down to the last little smidgeon, I'll say it again, amazing work Sam... 
Kev.
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Location:
S.E suberbs, Vic
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December 2003
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Re: Project 86 - Big technical worklog with 20V + diff + brake + suspension conversion
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Thu, 27 October 2005 11:15
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thanks Kev, I am unsure how close I will cut it till the cruise. There are far too many variables in the way to say for sure. I might do a dodge with the wiring loom for now just to get it running.
It is worthwhile experience, but for me it has been a very tedious process. My brain keeps telling me to quit saying stuff like that the rice up boys in their Silvias will always be faster than me in a staight line, well maybe not on a windy road if they crash but still.. But I know I will have a lighter, more nimble, more original, better engeneered car than just about all of the Nissan s-1x's or 180sx's. I will use heaps less fuel too, with my other engine and managemant system I am aiming for 7L/100.
After I get it running I think then it will start to be rewarding. Then I get to make and fine-tune my setup to make it really professional. I will make my wild intake, hide my wiring, tune it to the absolute max, install my water injection, etc.. the funs just about to start
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Location:
S.E suberbs, Vic
Registered:
December 2003
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Re: Project 86 - Big technical worklog with 20V + diff + brake + suspension conversion
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Tue, 01 November 2005 03:07
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making some progress, still a bit slow though:
- Driveline is back in
- Airbox is almost ready
- Experiencing problems with my fuel tank mods
- Exhaust is mostly in but waiting on having an oxy sensor plug welded on.
- Wiring almost done... I think
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Location:
S.E suberbs, Vic
Registered:
December 2003
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Re: Project 86 - Big technical worklog with 20V + diff + brake + suspension conversion
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Tue, 01 November 2005 03:16
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well my exhaust fits nice and close, heres a test fit:
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I supported Toymods
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Frankston, Victoria
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April 2004
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Re: Project 86 - Big technical worklog with 20V + diff + brake + suspension conversion
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Tue, 01 November 2005 03:55
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Can you say... absolute perfection? Hahah Sam dude, that exhaust is absolutely insane! Bet it's going to sound insane too
Kev.
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Location:
S.E suberbs, Vic
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December 2003
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Re: Project 86 - Big technical worklog with 20V + diff + brake + suspension conversion
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Tue, 01 November 2005 04:45
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not quite Kev, to be honest the steel welds on the stainless pipes has got me worried, on the main section it should be ok but on the extractors who knows.
As for the sound, I am confident it will be good, I hope it won't be too loud, ah either way i will probably put a butterfly valve in the middle.
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Location:
S.E suberbs, Vic
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December 2003
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