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| Classique71 wrote on Tue, 15 April 2003 20:23 |
hang on a sec - didnt the sa63's have 3tgte's ? or was that only the imported ones or are they 1g family ?
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Dude, you should read up on how Toyota model codes work....
The SA63 had a 2S-C.
The one with the 3T-GTEU was the TA63.
What you really want is a TA64 with the monster 4T-GTE!
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wtf is a 4T-GTE?
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Wed, 16 April 2003 00:59
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Basically a limited production version of the 3T-GTE for homologation purposes. The fire-breathing Group B rally Celicas used this engine in the pre-WRC days.
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| E30-323ti wrote on Wed, 16 April 2003 11:05 |
Just out of curiosity why is everyone against the 3S-GTE (or late model GE even).
Hasn't he got most of the parts he needs anyway being a SA63!?!?!
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Reading this (predecessor to this thread) will give you more of an idea of what's involved in converting a 3S-GTE into RWD...
http://www.toymods.org.au/msgboard/index.php?t=msg &th=12217#msg_num_26
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Wed, 16 April 2003 01:48
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| E30-323ti wrote on Wed, 16 April 2003 11:05 |
Mmmmm, Just out of curiosity why is everyone against the 3S-GTE (or late model GE even).
Hasn't he got most of the parts he needs anyway being a SA63!?!?!
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I don't think anyone is against it per se, it's just that it's a relatively difficult conversion. I for one think it's a great idea, and if I had an SA63 it would be my conversion of choice - but for someone who may not want such a challenge/expense, the 1G is probably a better option. Either one is certainly better than a Buick V6 clunker. 
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Wed, 16 April 2003 02:42
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How much does a BEAMS 3SGE go for? Would have to be easier to fit (no turbo to foul), RWD to start with, it would have to go better than a VS motor? Down side tho is that I think a front cut will set you back $6k or so?
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Wed, 16 April 2003 06:26
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firstly thanks for the info in amongst the crap.
there will be no 'bashing' of the transmission tunnel as the standard w55 gearbox will be used.
i thaught the V6 would be a good swap as it has heeps of torque
and parts are cheap.
noone has told me what a conversion would cost me for a different engine
where did all the vn comments come from. the engine will come from a VS or later.
what is a 1g swap gonna cost me engineered???
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Wed, 16 April 2003 07:05
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Fitting the V6 will cost more than a 3S-GTE conversion! Is that a good enough example of what it will cost you?
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Wed, 16 April 2003 07:14
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| rdraginrolla wrote on Wed, 16 April 2003 08:30 |
Witzl said in a previous thread above this puppy, that the Supercharged Commos can't keep up with stock falcos.
Um....yes they can. In fact there quicker.
You seem to forget the new ba is one heavy car.
No buts! Supercharged commo is quicker.
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I think you got you hand on it boy!
Supercharged VT Homodore VS AU Falcon! Can you say: Falcon kicks arse?
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Wed, 16 April 2003 07:18
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The AU wasn't brought up here. Comparing the BA non-turbo XR6 and the VY Supercharged S-pack, the Commodore was ever so slightly quicker.
But I'll stop there...
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Wed, 16 April 2003 07:22
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Sorry I didnt see what model commondore was mentioned  Actually I still dont 
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Wed, 16 April 2003 08:57
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re sa63 - i knew one of the 63's had the 3tgte and one had an S motor - ta for the correcting
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Wed, 16 April 2003 10:29
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mate do what you want...the v6 would go quite nicely in that car..it depends on what performance you're looking for...the vs v6 had a better top end, but the vn-vr v6 had a lot more torque off the line...some would say more exciting to drive! Ive had both in commodores..and neither were slow...I was thinking of putting a supercharged vr v6 in my supra, but preferred the extra cubes of the v8. plus with the 8, i can always supercharge it down the track if i wanna go crazily fast..
bottom line : do what you like...you dont need to put a toyota motor in it...i quite like the idea you have in fact.
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Wed, 16 April 2003 10:30
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Yeah I agree, Put the V6 in it!
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Wed, 16 April 2003 10:36
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put a 327 chev in it get it engineered and stroke the bitch out to 383 and run it in the pro stock drag racing next to trevor maas
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Wed, 16 April 2003 10:41
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yes the power to weight ratio would be very nice in that celica...id imagine itll be a quick little or you could always go for a 302/ 351  .
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Wed, 16 April 2003 10:43
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hopefully with a bit of luck my supra will see a bit of time at the dragstrip...got my racing cam the other week...looks very nice...flat tappet style.
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Wed, 16 April 2003 12:17
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finally some people like my idea.
i dont think a 327 would fit.
i wanted to GEN3 V8 but that wont fit
one of the reasons the V6 was chosen was because it is relativly compact for its capacity. being a V shape its quite short and the sa63 engine bay is only 20mm narrower (strut to strut) than a VT.
to fit a gen 3 i would have to cut out the radiator support. and im not gonna do that
we (me my mate and the guy at the shop) figured that i should be able to do a 12 sec quarter mole (with slicks, perfect changes and perfect reaction time), realistically a mid to high 13.
and a top speed of approx 260km/h
a vs is supposed to have 170kw at the wheels (correct if wrong)
which is about 130 kw at the wheels (correct if wrong)
narks car gets about 130kw at the wheels
the V6 has more torque than a 1ggte for about the same price.
on the comment of 'to get more power just turn up the boost'
you can only turn if up so far and the more you turn it up the more stress it puts on the engine.
its easy and only costs about $1500 to put a supercharger on the v6 to get even more power so there is your POTENTIAL
you can also bore and stroke the engine.
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Wed, 16 April 2003 12:41
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So when are you going to do it! I want to see this done!
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Wed, 16 April 2003 12:49
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Good Luck
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Wed, 16 April 2003 12:50
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What box you gonna use?
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Wed, 16 April 2003 12:54
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the w55 is gonna stay in it i just have to be carefull not to take off to hard
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Wed, 16 April 2003 12:56
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Cool! What bellhousing you gonna use?
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Wed, 16 April 2003 13:01
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getting a custom bellhousing made
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Wed, 16 April 2003 13:02
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What computer you gonna use? Whos doing the wiring?
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Wed, 16 April 2003 13:09
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Here's a couple of figures to think about .
3SGTE with stock internals 23psi boost = 260 RWKW
1GGTE with stock internals 20psi boost = 208 RWKW
Stock commodore v6 about 100 RWKW
Trevor
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Wed, 16 April 2003 13:09
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the guy whos doing the conversion is doing the wiring. using standard computer for now. will be putting most of the commodore loom in the car.
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Wed, 16 April 2003 13:45
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where did you get your Haltech ECU from and how much was it and did you have to out the settings in yourself or were they already set
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Wed, 16 April 2003 21:22
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a vs is supposed to have 170kw at the wheels (correct if wrong)
which is about 130 kw at the wheels (correct if wrong)
narks car gets about 130kw at the wheels
the V6 has more torque than a 1ggte for about the same price.
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um, nope.
A VS has 147kw at the flywheel.
At the wheels - expect ~100kw (if you're lucky)
I think your idea has some merit actually...
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Wed, 16 April 2003 21:56
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| bozwon wrote on Wed, 16 April 2003 22:17 |
we (me my mate and the guy at the shop) figured that i should be able to do a 12 sec quarter mole (with slicks, perfect changes and perfect reaction time), realistically a mid to high 13.
and a top speed of approx 260km/h
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Wed, 16 April 2003 23:48
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Cool1, um i know you like to think your always correct, but Im afraid in the case of a supercharged commodore (vy - vx) being slower that a stock ba faclo, um yeah, i dont think so.
let me did out my motor mags and i post the 0-100 and 0-400 times.
just bear with me there......
and just to be fair, we are comparing auto ba xt falcon to auto supercharged commmo, cos the commo sc only come in auto.
for now heres a wheels article comparing NON-Supercharged VX Commodore S (thats rights 152kw against BA Falcon XR6 (182kw)
"The 182kW XR6 takes its first shot as a $37,775 manual before firing automatically from a $38,695 stronghold. The 152kW standard Commodore S responds with a manual pot-shot at $37,050 and seizes some ground with its $37,820 auto."
"Getting from standstill to 60 clicks in less than four seconds shows the XR6 is no slouch, but by then the Holden has scorched to a half-second lead  , which it maintains even though the Ford matches its pace once fully into stride. The XR6 comes on the stronger towards the top-end and is actually travelling a whisker faster than the S at the 400-metre mark, though still trailing for time. The supercharged S completes a clean sweep of the performance tests by nosing ahead in 80-120km/h rolling response"
If a 152kw Commordore can stay with it, the Supercharged will and DOES kill it!
HAHAHAHAHHAHAA!
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Wed, 16 April 2003 23:52
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Umm I admitted I was wrong! I didnt see anything mentioned about what model commondore you were talking about! I stated the AU falcon is faster than the supercharged VT!
So it would be good of you to take back your dumm shit smart asre comment!
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Thu, 17 April 2003 00:25
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Let me think about it....
"I think you got you hand on it boy!
Supercharged VT Homodore VS AU Falcon! Can you say: Falcon kicks arse? "
After your insulting uneducated fucking comment, NO!
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Thu, 17 April 2003 00:38
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| rob_RA40 wrote on Thu, 17 April 2003 07:56 |
| bozwon wrote on Wed, 16 April 2003 22:17 |
we (me my mate and the guy at the shop) figured that i should be able to do a 12 sec quarter mole (with slicks, perfect changes and perfect reaction time), realistically a mid to high 13.
and a top speed of approx 260km/h
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i worded that badly
i should be able to get a top speed of 260km/h over a couple of kms of road (like down conrod where the V8's do 300 ish)
and get a mid to high 13 second quarter mile
and Grega i stand corrected with the power figures.
i think im gonna get an aftermarket supercharger put on when i do the conversion for a few extra kw's
my next delemma is what wheels to put on it. im thinking 17'X 7.5' or 17' X 8'
the wheels arn't all that easy to track down i found out with the only company with more than 2 types of wheels that fitted were anz (Australia & New Zeland tyre & wheel distributors) where i could get 'voltec''mak 6''fusion'.
ill try and get a pic of the mak 6 which is what im thinking of getting in hi-black
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Thu, 17 April 2003 01:06
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a vs is supposed to have 170kw at the wheels (correct if wrong)
which is about 130 kw at the wheels (correct if wrong)
narks car gets about 130kw at the wheels
the V6 has more torque than a 1ggte for about the same price.
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um, nope.
A VS has 147kw at the flywheel.
At the wheels - expect ~100kw (if you're lucky)
I think your idea has some merit actually...
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My 1UZ was dynoed at 127RWKW from a FWKW rating of around 200KW...I would deem it unlikely that a 147FWKW engine would see 100RWKW, particularly through an auto. *reaches for calculator*
Calculator says it should make around 103RWKW*; then again it also says mine should be at 135RWKW*...I've gotta make it to one of these dyno days!
*Assumes static 30% driveline loss.
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Thu, 17 April 2003 01:14
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i think the was more directed to the 13 sec quater mile. Somehow i have to agree that such an estimated run is just a LITTLE far fetched.
By the same token as your mate and the conversion guy, i should be running at least 14's with my 18R-GU celica......
honestly - i think in the end you would be far happier with a 1G-GTE.... it would be easier to engineer, its a VERY simple fit (just read the articles on the toymods website), and there is a WEALTH of knowledge here from people who have done the conversion themselves!
However, if you are serious about your commo V6 conversion, good luck to you.... and to your conversion guy.....
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Thu, 17 April 2003 01:26
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147kw -30% is about 103kw @ wheels as you said (102.9 to be spacific)
a commodore weighs about 1500kg's (probly more with driver + tank of fuel)(add 200kgs) which is how i usually drive around.
I 'THINK' (as i im not totally sure but i think i read it was about that) my car weighs about 1200kgs with me and a tank of fuel.
less weight + same power = more acceleration (work = force X load)
i did read somewhere that removing unnessary items from a car (spare wheel, back seat etc) makes your quarter mile time faster.
as it would (100kgs converted into 3/4 of a second gain)
someone tell me what a vs commodore does the 1/4 mile in on street trim. (actual time is probly about 16 secs)
then add slicks and remove about 500 kgs (1/2 ton) and youll probly end up with a car in the high 13's low 14's.
one of the main reasons i dont want to do a 1ggte swap is that everyone has it. its not different. sure there are lots of holden V6's around but how many are in celicas.
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Thu, 17 April 2003 01:37
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I reckon your figures aren't too far wide of the mark there Bozwon.
Good luck to you and I hope you go through with the conversion cause I always like to see something different. Don't foget to post pics if you're successful.
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Thu, 17 April 2003 01:47
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500kg removed roughly works out at a 3.75second gain on the track
(3/4 sec per 100 kg's removed)
commodore 1/4 mile 16 seconds (give or take)
celica 1/4 with same power/torque 16 - 3.75 = 12.25 seconds add 10% error (for whatever reason you like) and you get 13.475 seconds
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| JDM hachi wrote on Wed, 16 April 2003 11:02 |
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1)when you have power you can get torque (through gearing)
2)when you have torque you can't get power!!(*)
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your gearbox acts as a torque multiplier!!!!, thus if you want more torque (at the wheels)--change the gearing!!!!!
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i wouldn't think a gearbox has anything to do with how much torque you can make....
all a gearbox does is determine how QUICKLY it will be put out...it is like a diff ratio....you can get shorter gears put in either of the two, sure you will take off quicker, but will lose top end speed, but still make the same amount of power.
isn't that how an ENGINE DYNO works....like a gearbox isn't even hooked up, it just connects to a machine that reads power straight off the engine...??
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Thu, 17 April 2003 01:54
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What's the point in stripping your car and running slicks to get a 13s quarter mile time when on the street, you'll get flogged by a 14s car?
This is an old debate, so we won't get into it here.
For comparison. I'd estimate my car would put down a low to mid-14 second quarter mile. And it makes a bit more than 100kW at the wheels.
The 1G swap is popular for a reason. "To be different" is not a good enough excuse in my eyes for choosing an inferior engine.
BTW, how heavy is the V6? If it weighs more than a 1JZ, you're gonna be ruining the handling anyway, so I know what I'd be putting in.... Not many people with 1JZ Celicas....
At the end of the day, it's your car. We can give you all the advice we can give, but ultimately, it's your decision. I just hope you'll be happy with the results.
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| bozwon wrote on Thu, 17 April 2003 11:47 |
500kg removed roughly works out at a 3.75second gain on the track
(3/4 sec per 100 kg's removed)
commodore 1/4 mile 16 seconds (give or take)
celica 1/4 with same power/torque 16 - 3.75 = 12.25 seconds add 10% error (for whatever reason you like) and you get 13.475 seconds
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16 secs for the commodore was in STREET TRIM
im gonna run fairly soft STREET tyres on the car not slicks. slicks would probly remove the 10% error i calculated and therefore run 12's
with a decant centrifical blower and an intercooler i could get 210kw @ wheels with between 8 and 12 psi boost
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Three things:
A stock commodore will struggle to run a 16 with an auto and in experienced driver.
All the figures and bullshit in the world means nothing. Do it and see what results you get. Dynos are a good tuning tool, but mean shit all in comparisons as they all vary soo much. Take it to the track and get a real figure, not all this estimate crap.
If you are going to use a blower also, it is going to become very costly, and for the initial outlay plus the conversion/blower, you may be able to find something already done that will give you better performance and drivability.
Just some things to think about.
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one of the main reasons i dont want to do a 1ggte swap is that everyone has it. its not different. sure there are lots of holden V6's around but how many are in celicas.
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just be sure that you get a perspex bonnet so when all the iggtte celicas blow you off the road they will know why, and then realise that it's because your just "different".
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hahahahah
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LMAO. Thats a good one
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| bozwon wrote on Thu, 17 April 2003 11:47 |
500kg removed roughly works out at a 3.75second gain on the track
(3/4 sec per 100 kg's removed)
commodore 1/4 mile 16 seconds (give or take)
celica 1/4 with same power/torque 16 - 3.75 = 12.25 seconds add 10% error (for whatever reason you like) and you get 13.475 seconds
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these calculations are hardly accurate at all, the ratio between weight and qtr mile time (as well as HP and 1/4 time) is exponential NOT linear.
speculations like this crack me up, but if its what u want dont let anyone else tell u otherwise, put the V6 in and take it to the track, but be prepared for a dissapointment.
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| bozwon wrote on Thu, 17 April 2003 11:47 |
500kg removed roughly works out at a 3.75second gain on the track
(3/4 sec per 100 kg's removed)
commodore 1/4 mile 16 seconds (give or take)
celica 1/4 with same power/torque 16 - 3.75 = 12.25 seconds add 10% error (for whatever reason you like) and you get 13.475 seconds
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With an understanding of physics that rivals my friend's 6 year old, now I can understand why some mullet sporting, buck toothed mongie convinced you a Holden V6 was 'mint'.
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Re: holden V6 => sa63 - opinions
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Thu, 17 April 2003 04:00
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So, as far I can guess, this thing will beat my Cressida over the 1/4???
(That's me, waiting at the end of the strip for this thing to catch up and "beat" me)!
BTW. I'm not having a personal dig here, just making the observation that, having owned a Holden V6 (VP Calais) and the 304ci V8 (another VP Calais), I can speak from some experience when I say that my Cressida, while more suited to "high speed" point-to-point driving, as opposed to drag-racing, would murder either of those...They're great in the first bit, just off the mark, but tend to "run out of breath" quite early. (Co-incidently, right when the 1UZ is starting to breathe deeply and run up to the 7,000RPM rev-limit... 
Is there a moral? Perhaps that your money *may* be better spent on a different engine than a (let's face it, poorly-designed) push-rod 6...Just my 2c.
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Re: holden V6 => sa63 - opinions
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Thu, 17 April 2003 08:01
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I can't believe I only just sae this thread!
* Skimming through.... the autoweb/autospeed articly was very biased. I remember reading that article ages ago. They aren't very consistent either. They panned the 1G-GTE, yet in OTHER articles on the same site - such as the one on Nark's car, and a couple of others - praise it. I lost a bit of respect for that site when I worked that out.
* Also, if you want a lead arrow powered by a VN commodore motor... ahh, buy a VN commodore. No need to ruin a nice celica to do it.  Always consider the weight bias handling issues! Everyone knows that Commodores are lead arrows that handle like boats. Celicas don't handle like boats. I'd hate to see one made more like a commmodore. I'm willing to beat the 3.8 v6 weighs a lot more than a 2S-C, 3T-GTE, 22RE, 18RG or any other toy engine that came in an A6 from the factory.
* Toyota = well engineered. Period.
* The 1G, from what i hear, is sooooooooooo smooooth you can sit a cup of coffee on it at idel and it will barely ripple. If I had 5k to spend on a conversion, there is no question what I would put in (unless of course a 3S could be done for the same price.. even better power/weight and chassis balance)
* Last point (for now) I remember Topaz - the original people to do a 1ggte --> ra6x conversion I think - saying how a new v8 ss commodore simply just could not keep up with them around the great ocean road. Something to think about.
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Re: holden V6 => sa63 - opinions
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Thu, 17 April 2003 09:25
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thefastj: read torque as tractive effort.
there is a write up on www.autospeed.com which may be of interest
yeah an engine dyno will measure an engines torque, but a chasis dyno will measure tractive effort, which has more of a real-world basis.this is why a 600Hp mack truck can do what it does but a 600Hp GTR skyline wont do the same.
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Re: holden V6 => sa63 - opinions
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Thu, 17 April 2003 14:51
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i just finished reading all of this crap, and decided im not going to get stuck in a robbo-esqu arguments *again*...
BUT i will say - when youre alreading thinking about youre next 'problem' - the oh-so-critical "what wheels do i put on", it makes me think that you really, really really need to come to terms with the process of an engine conversion. 3 weeks for the conversion itself, and 1 week to source parts...
cheers
ed
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Thu, 17 April 2003 15:05
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oh, rg huh?!! sorry. my bad. In my defence I did only just get home from an 8 hour dash to canberra to pick up a vk commodore for my little brother ( I told him to get a r31 skyline but he wouldn't listen)
I realise that the 1g would be far, far better to flog but just to drive, I think the 3.8 would just be soooo much easier.
Although, I didn't consider the expense. is the 1g into sa63 as easy as a ra28?? if so then I don't think you could really find a better swap.
Tim.
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Re: holden V6 => sa63 - opinions
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Fri, 18 April 2003 01:13
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firstly ignore all quoted 1/4 mile times. i am not building a drag car. i am building a car to drive around in
the v6 is just one option i have been looking into. i want plenty of torque so when i have 3 friends in the car it still goes reasonibly well.
im not doing the conversion myself. im getting someone to do it for me. and he said it would take about 3 weeks for completion(probly a bit optimistic) and a week or 2 to get all the parts.
the reason i need to put wheels at the same time is so they can be fitted during/after the conversion and then engineered at the same time as the engine.
the place where im getting the conversion done shares a carpark with a tyre shop and an metal fabrication place.
parts are going to be the major problem for me.
its fine for you guys in capital cities to have 1ggte's in your car buy the supply of decant engines and parts is running out as they are not put into new cars anymore (or in the last 4 years)*
if i have a commodore or similar engine i can get parts in nowra easily and get it fixed at any local garage.
i am going into see dave (the conversion guy) on tuesday to see what other options i have with the swap.
some options
3sgte is an option
1ggte is a remote option (parts and decant engine are apparently hard to get)
7m soarer engine? (V8, straight 6 i dont know much about it)
rb25 wont fit too long
sr20 is an option (not a good one)
5 litre V8 (to heavy, to old)
1jz (will be looking into) will fit
V6 commodore motor
wrx motor (daves suggestion not mine)(can but WILL NOT be done)(would have heating problems)
gen 3 V8 (will fit physically but will cause problems with steering arms etc.)
any other suggestions
*(again correct me if im wrong)
cheers
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