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Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes
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Thanks mate. I'm still deciding if I'm going to a 5 stud and this is just one more reason to do so 
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Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes
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Sun, 27 July 2003 07:47
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Dave, Do you know the thickness of the MA70 rotor face? And also the thickness of the Hilux drum face.
Thanks
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Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes
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Mon, 28 July 2003 06:24
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I had better put my hand in the air for a pair of caliper brackets as well, tentatively.
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Mon, 28 July 2003 07:20
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Holy shit! @ T vs G pic
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Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes
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Mon, 28 July 2003 07:23
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And then people want to bang 150 bhp+ through a T series axle and have the nerve to complain about the weight of a G series hilux diff.....
I just don't understand it at all !!!!
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Mon, 28 July 2003 07:28
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Things are always best when done in moderation...
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Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes
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Mon, 28 July 2003 07:30
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Too much is never enough!!
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Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes
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Mon, 28 July 2003 08:35
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| Nark wrote on Mon, 28 July 2003 17:28 |
Things are always best when done in moderation...
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Except for Sex and Horsepower!
Thats why i have a HUGEEEEEE Di......................ff
Allan
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Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes
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Mon, 28 July 2003 23:35
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BAAAAAAAhahaha!
Allan, you're a crackup.
But if you want big horsepower, you might want to turf that 7M though.....
*Runs and hides*
  
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Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes
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Tue, 29 July 2003 00:21
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a few questions:
1) How much drivetrain loss will i get through a G series LSD compared to a T series LSD?
2) What F series LSD's are available?
3) are T series really that weak? Ive never broken one, mates of mine have never broken their LSD's (cusco 2way lsd) and he drives hard, clutch dumps, drifts, track days and burnouts..
4) what would be the best upgrade for an RA23/ae86 combining strength/lightweight and cost?
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Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes
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Tue, 29 July 2003 00:26
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| Nark wrote on Tue, 29 July 2003 09:35 |
But if you want big horsepower, you might want to turf that 7M though.....
*Runs and hides*
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OOOooooOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo oooo FIGHT!FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!!! 
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Tue, 29 July 2003 00:52
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"M vs JZ" is popping up in a few places.....coinciding with the return of Allan...
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Tue, 29 July 2003 00:57
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Its like the good old days, find Allan, wind him up and gooooooooooo 
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Tue, 29 July 2003 02:06
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It's just so hard to resist! I've tried, but finally I succumbed...
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Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes
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Tue, 29 July 2003 03:29
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| Simon-MrRx7 wrote on Tue, 29 July 2003 10:21 |
a few questions:
1) How much drivetrain loss will i get through a G series LSD compared to a T series LSD?
2) What F series LSD's are available?
3) are T series really that weak? Ive never broken one, mates of mine have never broken their LSD's (cusco 2way lsd) and he drives hard, clutch dumps, drifts, track days and burnouts..
4) what would be the best upgrade for an RA23/ae86 combining strength/lightweight and cost?
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1) not anywhere as much as you would in a single spinner once it has started to spin.
2) MA61 and 4 runner as standard equipment. There is heaps of aftermarket centres available in the 4X4 world
3) it all depends on how hard you treat them and what you are expecting them to do. They can break pinions with an 18R if you abuse them. If you put a lot of power into them or weld up the centre they will break axles. The T series LSD is hard to get.
4) how much power are you expecting it to handle. I am looking at an F series because my personal opinion is that the G is huge overkill for my needs but I can't be bothered keep up with the maintenance on a T series.
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Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes
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Tue, 29 July 2003 03:44
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1) Im assuming the mass and so on would suck a bit of power with a G series rather then a lighter T series wouldnt it?
2) would you have any links or pics of various F series LSD's?
3) as i said.. running a 4age now.. looking for a hefty power increase down the track so want to think about diff strength. I dont like the idea of taking my chances with a T series A( im not gentle on cars in general)
4) 240 - 250 fly wheel kw's max.. so yes... too much for a T series and drive it hard.
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| Simon-MrRx7 wrote on Tue, 29 July 2003 10:21 |
a few questions:
1) How much drivetrain loss will i get through a G series LSD compared to a T series LSD?
2) What F series LSD's are available?
3) are T series really that weak? Ive never broken one, mates of mine have never broken their LSD's (cusco 2way lsd) and he drives hard, clutch dumps, drifts, track days and burnouts..
4) what would be the best upgrade for an RA23/ae86 combining strength/lightweight and cost?
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1) not anywhere as much as you would in a single spinner once it has started to spin.
2) MA61 and 4 runner as standard equipment. There is heaps of aftermarket centres available in the 4X4 world
3) it all depends on how hard you treat them and what you are expecting them to do. They can break pinions with an 18R if you abuse them. If you put a lot of power into them or weld up the centre they will break axles. The T series LSD is hard to get.
4) how much power are you expecting it to handle. I am looking at an F series because my personal opinion is that the G is huge overkill for my needs but I can't be bothered keep up with the maintenance on a T series.
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Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes
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Tue, 29 July 2003 03:57
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Never said i was using a 4age for that did i!
i said im running a mild 4age NOW.. looking for a power increase later!
gotya 
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| Simon-MrRx7 wrote on Tue, 29 July 2003 13:44 |
4) 240 - 250 fly wheel kw's max..
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Quote from The Castle:
"Tell him he's dreaming"
A Formula Atlantic 4A-GE only gets 240hp and you think you're gonna make 250kW?!
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Tue, 29 July 2003 04:00
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Yeah i saw that.. thanks!
F series looks bloody big... what do they weigh?
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Tue, 29 July 2003 04:01
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hehe OK. My mistake for making the assumption.
When people say power increase, they normally mean with the current engine. 
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Tue, 29 July 2003 04:03
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fair enough
oh i meant hp not kw's... so max of about 240 - 250 hp is what ive planned for it.
ive had a worked 4age NA (see car in avatar.. now sold) 200 hp NA and it was a bit of a whore to drive
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Tue, 29 July 2003 04:06
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Yeah. I can't imagine a 200hp 4A being too streetable....
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Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes
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Tue, 29 July 2003 04:17
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| Simon-MrRx7 wrote on Tue, 29 July 2003 14:00 |
Yeah i saw that.. thanks!
F series looks bloody big... what do they weigh?
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More than a T series. You're just going to have to accept that a stronger diff will always contain lots of extra steel, which equals weight! If you want a strong diff without a significant penalty in unsprung mass, you'd better start thinking about an IRS conversion.
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Tue, 29 July 2003 04:25
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norbie
haha thanks but i was looking for an actual figure
sorry for the thread hyjack but this info looks to be useful for everyone.
Are there any good quality clutch pack lsd availavle for the F series?
that truetrac.. whats it for does anyone know? the company specilises in 4X4 stuff mainly dont they
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Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes
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Tue, 29 July 2003 04:33
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Go here. Have some tissues handy.
IRS for AE86
Cheers Dave.
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Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes
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Tue, 29 July 2003 05:10
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oh my!!
thats gorgeous!
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Tue, 29 July 2003 05:24
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Will I fall over and have a heart attack if I ask for the price on this baby?
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Tue, 29 July 2003 05:33
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Hmmm I think its $6000 australian 
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Tue, 29 July 2003 05:34
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480000¥, so roughly $6000 AUD (+ taxes, duties etc).
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Tue, 29 July 2003 05:51
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wonder how adapatble that would be to a celica
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Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes
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Tue, 29 July 2003 05:54
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bolt in a TA22/33
easy enough on a RA40 too
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Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes
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Tue, 29 July 2003 06:17
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I'd love that IRS in the Celica but hmm $6000 I think not.
If you were good with metal/welding it doesn't look ALL that difficult.. Suppose most of it is the design, not so much construction?
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Tue, 29 July 2003 07:40
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That colorful Celica looks tuff in a weird kinda way 
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Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes
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Tue, 29 July 2003 13:44
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BAAAAAAAhahaha!
Allan, you're a crackup.
But if you want big horsepower, you might want to turf that 7M though.....
*Runs and hides*
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Yep! the 7m-gte gos into the MA45 and the MA70 will get a 2jz-gte later on... so when are you upgrading to a 22R-TE?
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Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes
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Wed, 30 July 2003 01:13
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I think that in an earlier post someone did quote a weight figure for an F series axle of about 72 kg ?
Anyway, my RA23 T series axle weighs 62kg and my RN25 G series open centre axle weighs 81kg complete, so if you use say 75kg for an F series, you could not be that far away from (twisted) reality.
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Wed, 30 July 2003 01:54
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Thanks for that
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Wed, 30 July 2003 01:59
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Not a worry, its always good to have your question answered when its posted to the Forum ! Seriously, I can see no real reason why a 7.5 inch F should weigh less than a 6.7 inch T or more than an 8 inch G series. The F should be closer to the T than the G in actual fact - G series are bulletproof.
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Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes
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Wed, 30 July 2003 02:02
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well im guessing being smaller then the Gseries it would weigh less thats for sure.. and yeah the g series is bullet proof and reknown for its strength.. however it is very much overkill for my application!
well ive got a fair idea what i can and cant do now
thanks for help so far ppl
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Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes
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Sat, 16 August 2003 22:51
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sorry been stuck with work this week I should have some prices on the 20th
Allan
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Sun, 17 August 2003 00:54
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Sweet thanks.
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Tue, 19 August 2003 05:54
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over kill on a diff.... hmmm.. you obviously havent changed many dead centers in the midde of the night by torch light.
G series is hardly overkill when people talk about putting ford 9 inches into things like celicas etc
imagine NEVER worrying about your diff... or driveline for that matter
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Wed, 24 September 2003 09:58
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Allan ya bitch, hows them brackets comming?
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| gianttomato wrote on Wed, 23 July 2003 10:15 |
If you are planning on investigating the E series, Cressidas up to the MX62 are E series too. No idea on their width.
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My haynes manual for my MX62 says the track is 1350mm
(not that anyone cared )
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Wed, 24 September 2003 11:12
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Hopefully geting my CAD work tidyed up by someone that knows what there doing... i have much more respect for CAD people after trying to draw them up myself!
I have also revised the shape to make them to be lighter without losing any strength and consulted an engineer about the plate thickness (now 8mm rather then 10mm)
Sorry for delay but i want to be shure its all good before handing them out and thay are for offroad use only if you wish to use them on the street you will have to get them engineer approved yourself according to your local laws
Allan
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Wed, 24 September 2003 11:15
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Everything down to the carpet in my car will need engineering so whats a few extra calipers brackets
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Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes
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Wed, 24 September 2003 11:16
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Any idea on a final price?
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Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes
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Tue, 14 December 2004 05:03
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hhmmmm... decomposed thread..... 
Has anyone yet tested/tried/atempted/figured out anything further regarding the use of the MA70 rear discs re-drilled to 4x114.3mm PCD?
I am collecting all of the parts required for the hilux conversion and am trying to weigh up the options for rear discs as opposed to the 10" drums. I have had a look at how the Skyline rear discs work, it's a fair bit of messing around with bracketry and spacing to get the caliper correctly lined up with the disc.... involving a home made backing plate. All completely possible of course.
I *would* have looked at the other options, but yo dont tend to find many MA70s down at Piccies. I will look at an MX83 next time im down there however.
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Tue, 14 December 2004 05:12
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dont dave GT and allan have MZ20/MZ70 rear brakes on thier G series conversions?
i have a CAD drawing of the caliper bracket they used
also have a actual test caliper bracket here as well
u want?
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Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes
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Tue, 14 December 2004 05:33
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mmm, perhapsies
I should really evalute first what options i have of fitting something inside a 13" or 14" wheel first. If the MA70/MZ20 rear discs can do that then sweet! This is for PMPboy you see.
I am also interested for the Celica, as i might end up using this RN41 rear end i have now... if i cant find a decent priced RN2* rear end. Celica runs 15" wheels so better clearances.
Maybe i'll talk to you soon.
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Sat, 18 December 2004 02:40
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heres a link to james moffats hilux conversion into ae86 using R33 disk brake conversion. his dad is my tech tutor so ive heard alot about it. the drum handbrake was installed too.
http://www.ae86.orcon.net.nz/technical.htm
ive snapped a couple T series axles too but i put it down to excess wear in the splines coupled with axle tramp and a locker. not the big wheel jumping type tramp.. just the very high frequency shudder when wheel spinning.. both axles were snapped in wet conditions.. one with a stock 2tgeu in 1st gear burnout, 2nd was 3tgte 2nd gear fishtailing and dont think there was enough load on the diff to stop that blasted shudder
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Sun, 19 December 2004 05:32
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I'm not sure if i've meantioned this on the forums or not but Craft Diffs at Granville can put r31 skyline discs on a hilux diff. (and they don't turn down the axels)
i think they told me it would cost $200. but i'm not sure.
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Sun, 19 December 2004 05:52
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MA70 rear discs are fairly large... I think you've got buckley's of fitting them in a 14" wheel. No chance at all with 13's.
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Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes
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Sun, 19 December 2004 11:43
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hmmm, craft diffs were going to be the ones doing the mount swapping for me, so i will have a chat to them about that - thanks
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Tue, 21 December 2004 03:31
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Weren't the XF X-pac wheels 15x7?? I thought they were the same as the fairmont wheels.
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Tue, 21 December 2004 04:10
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Nope definitely 14x6. I had the misfortune of owning one of these pieces of shit.
Here is an example (with the wheels I mean) in all its skyjacked glory.
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Tue, 21 December 2004 13:20
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On that note, does anyone know where I might find a set of 14x7 steelies in a Ford stud pattern? Even 14x6.5 would do. Did any Falcons come with anything like that?
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