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Re: Joel - Turbo 1977 RA28 Celica
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Tue, 17 August 2004 08:55
 
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have you still got the old rims from the car?
are you intereseted in selling?
Thanks
Tom
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Re: Joel - Turbo 1977 RA28 Celica
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Sun, 12 September 2004 05:21
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Here is an updated shot of the engine bay 
The engine is stripped down at the moment to try and see whats causing the vibration problem...
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Re: Joel - Turbo 1977 RA28 Celica
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Sun, 12 September 2004 06:29
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Hey Joel.. re the vibration... did you check the harmonic balancer??
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Re: Joel - Turbo 1977 RA28 Celica
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Sun, 12 September 2004 09:51
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Hi mate, yeah before stripping the engine down had the flywheel, pressure plate, harmonic balancer, crank trigger disc all down at Graham Wilkins to check over, rebalance, etc.
I think we tried almost everything external to the engine. Ran it with no exhaust, braced the shit out of the turbo and plenum, took the fan belt off to eliminate water pump and alternator.
I really hope now its in 101 pieces something will show up. But visably it all looked ok internally. Bearings were all good, rods to the eye looked straight.
I've dropped all the parts into Graham on Saturday. He said first they will crack test the crank. Then go from there.
Cheers
Joel
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Fri, 01 October 2004 02:42
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Well it turns out one of the rods was bent. I'm pleased to have finally found the cause of it.
Now on the hunt for a set of rods. Then can get it all back together.
Cheers
Joel
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Fri, 01 October 2004 22:56
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bloody hell what an odd one?! well at least you can relax a bit knowing what it is.. any luck chasing the rods yet?
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Melbourne
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October 2003
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Fri, 01 October 2004 23:11
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can we swap engine bays? mines not painted the same color as the car. and yours is also a bit longer in the nose. This might also be handy. I'll offer you a cash adjustment. And organise freight. Its just a bolt on swap right?
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Sat, 02 October 2004 09:05
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Yeah so glad to know what it was.. Was concerned about finding some rods but I found a set of 4 rods and pistons (which I wont use as have forged ones) for $60!! Total bargin I think.
They are being sent down from QLD so hopefully have them during the week and get Graham to balance it all up again and i'll assemble it.
Haha yeah i've heard the front ends are just bolted on
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Tue, 05 October 2004 11:39
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Very nice, let me know if u want to sell it 
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Sat, 30 October 2004 15:50
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Joel,
More info on your diff setup please, particularly the extended lower control arm brackets? What level have you set the control arm at and the theory behind it all please? Have you tried moving the control arm and what effect did it have?
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Mon, 01 November 2004 00:07
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Howdy, Anthony (Gold28) from Toymods gave me this idea and kindly helped with the setup. So I'm probably best to quote what he had to say about it.
"What these brackets are designed to do is bring the line of action of the trailing arms back pointing towards the centre of gravity of the car. The problem with lowering a car is that while you are lowering the centre of gravity a couple of inches, you are making big changes to the effective geometry of the suspension. These brackets are supposed to restore some of the geometry after you lower it.
These brackets are supposed to install whats known as anti-squat. They are designed to line up the thrust line of the tyres with the cars centre of gravity, thus getting the most bite from your tyres."
I haven't had a chance to play around with it yet, especially since the RA28 has had no engine for a 2 months or so now. I think before I test it i'll need to make the arm adjustable in length also so with each setting I can set the pinion angle correctly.
Cheers
Joel
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Sun, 21 November 2004 08:48
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mmm theres nothing more pretty than a clean bare block thats been freshly honed 
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Tue, 30 November 2004 06:06
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Thought i'd give a quick update.. there has been some holdups getting the 3T back together.
First the bearings that were supplied were the wrong size. As soon as I started to do the mains up the crank would refuse to move. Checked with some flexiguage and was way out of spec.
Thanks to Jason (yellorolla) he had a spare set of NDC bearings for it so put those in and all was good.
So I got the crank & pistons back in, put the timing gear on and went to put the cover on.. bah.. somehow lost the front crank main seal.
Now waiting on Toyota to order the seal in for me, should arrive tomorrow I hope.
Then can get back to assembling the engine. I want it on the road!!!
Cheers
Joel
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Sun, 05 December 2004 08:43
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Few updates :
Here is the block complete with the headstuds in.
Here is a pic with the head on, but I had to pull it off again  as I didn't realise you couldn't put the oil pump drive gear/shft thing in with the head on. Bit annoyed about that!
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Sun, 05 December 2004 09:27
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looking good Joel,
hate to think what the CR of those pistons is gona be
they even look like theyre slighlty proud of the head?
you have no luck with engines though, seriously have you thought about another hoby
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February 2004
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Sun, 05 December 2004 10:27
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ahhh your getting there!
i got dibs on that screamer when its time for it to go!
the engine, not the car, i can't see that ever getting sold aye?
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Sun, 05 December 2004 10:54
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absolutely beautiful mate! good work, very inspiring!
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Sun, 05 December 2004 23:27
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hate to think what the CR of those pistons is gona be
they even look like theyre slighlty proud of the head?
you have no luck with engines though, seriously have you thought about another hoby
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Howdy, those pistons are actually around 7.9:1 They were running in it before the bent conrod problem.
Yeah I was really spitting chips yesturday and was seriously debating a new hobby, maybe gardening or something less stressful haha.
Cheers
Joel
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Mon, 06 December 2004 08:05
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but as a pimp you can see results every 1-2minutes and you make money instead of spending it
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Sun, 12 December 2004 09:21
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nice work joel
ps: who makes your tower bearings?
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Sun, 12 December 2004 10:41
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Hey mate, they are from Noltec.
Cheers
Joel
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Mon, 13 December 2004 22:26
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Woohoo it's finally running again! Took it out for the first drive Monday morning. All running nicely with no problems so far. I'm going to Kiama on Friday so that will be a good trip to wear it in.
Here is a pic of all back in the bay and in 1 piece.
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Tue, 14 December 2004 02:21
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WOW that is soo clean,i really would love to get my engine bay looking that smikk..good work mate...also where can i get the turbo heat shield stuff?
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Tue, 14 December 2004 02:50
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happy happy joy joy
When we goin for a drive????
I think you should come along to the cruise this Sunday Night.
Oh and by the way I am having troubles with James Supra. I think the battery might be getting flat. 
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Tue, 14 December 2004 03:33
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The headsheild is made by ACL, its the same stuff they use on the Ford XR6 turbos and seems to do a real good job. I ordered it through local auto shop but had to supply the part number which I found on ACL's website. Was about $50 for a big sheet.
Hey Anthony, mate i'm going to Kiama over the weekend. - was going to do sad face because can't make the Toymods event.. But will do as i'm excited to be going to Kiama.
Haha I hear you can replace Supra's batteries quite easy! Only simple tools required.
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Sun, 19 December 2004 23:04
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I went to Kiama over the weekend.. Was a good trip to wear the engine in and got a couple of photos
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Adelaide
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September 2003
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Sun, 19 December 2004 23:37
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Looks good there Joel.
I love the colour and the intake and exhaust manifolds are pretty sweet.
I have a soft spot for the RA28's and wish I still had mine, but now have the MA61.
Makes me think I better get my act into gear and get working !!!!
Cheers
Michael B
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Mon, 20 December 2004 07:05
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That's a nice shot there Joel.. I may have mentioned it before, but the new rims look absolutely GUN! 
Great to see you're back driving it again, and the engine bay is definitely looking super sweet!
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Wed, 22 December 2004 04:07
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Here is a pic of the Celica and my mates 4G63B powered Lancer :
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October 2002
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Thu, 23 December 2004 04:13
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Very nice....
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Thu, 23 December 2004 04:18
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Joel can you please stop taking those pretty shots of your car at the beach.... your making me feel .... inadequate ... in my little grey shit box
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Thu, 23 December 2004 06:16
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Ahh well when im at the beach everyone else always feels inadequate... oh wait... we are talking about cars
Nothing wrong with the Corolla man!
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Thu, 23 December 2004 07:00
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| TurboRA28 wrote on Wed, 22 December 2004 15:07 |
Here is a pic of the Celica and my mates 4G63B powered Lancer :
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I expect to see both of these cars at the January Dyno day.
I remember having a chat with your mate at Toyota Nationals about his Lnacer, that is a really cool conversion.
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Thu, 23 December 2004 07:29
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Hey Joel, I guess the trip gave you a good chance to try out the new front end geometry. How does it feel now? Have you finally bettered the sprinter?? Or will it be coming off the road for another couple of months
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Thu, 23 December 2004 09:28
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Those mags are tough!, certainly better then the older plainer ones.
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Thu, 23 December 2004 11:46
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Hey Anthony, yeah the front end feels unreal now . No noticeable bump steer at all, and i've been able to dial in around 1.5 degree neg camber which is good.
Yup I'd say handling wise it finally feels superiour to the ae86!
I'm heading up to Brisbane in it tomorrow so fingers crossed all goes ok.
Cheers
Joel
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Fri, 24 December 2004 04:26
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I was watching your old thread on the rack conversion a while ago, but i think that burnt out around the time you found the problems with bump-steer, etc.
What did you end up doing to fix it?
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Fri, 31 December 2004 07:16
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Yeah evil bump steer... To get rid of it I had to lengthen the steering arms around 25mm. I did this by using a slightly lower profile (RA60) inner rack end which was 5mm less than the KE70/AE86 one, then move the pivot point of the control arm outbound 20mm (mmmmm negative camber).
I haven't measured it, but am confident there is close to zero bump steer now. It is a totally different car to drive, steering response and feel is totally awesome and the car just feels so stable on the road now.
Cheers
Joel
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Sun, 02 January 2005 15:03
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That picture of your 28 with the lancer is an absolute killer. The front end of the 23/28 looks so damn tough, like its about to eat you.
Beautiful car!
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Wed, 12 January 2005 02:29
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So much for trying to keep the car on the road for a while...
My list last year looked a lot like that, the only thing I managed to achieve though was to tidy up the trim a little and do a diff conversion and you know how that turned out. 
The rest of the time was spent breaking engines and dealing with the consequneces.
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Wed, 12 January 2005 03:17
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I'm going to try to keep it on the road for the year. A lot of those jobs wouldn't require pulling it off the road for more than a day or 2..
The harder ones like brake upgrade, fuel system etc i'll be doing on the 'project ra28' so can do all the mucking around and once its complete just move the parts over to mine.
Last year was a shocker for me and car spent way too much time in parts. Will do my best this year not to let that happen
But yeah, like you said often these lists sit dormant and look the same each year with nothing crossed off them haha..
Cheers
Joel
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Wed, 12 January 2005 07:20
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| TurboRA28 wrote on Wed, 12 January 2005 09:23 |
Window and door seals - Need to find something better than rarespares/spectrum's stuff isn't very good.
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try sealrite up here in queensland
Sealrite
2/ 53 Ferry Rd Southport QLD 4215
ph: (07) 5591 7072
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Wed, 12 January 2005 10:48
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My mate has a set of RS-8 wheels which we tried on the Celica. I love them! Makes the Enkei's look quite average.
Thinking of painting the centre of Enkei's a gunmetal/black colour.
What everyone think? Shame pics were taken at night but you can see the idea.
Cheers
Joel
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Wed, 12 January 2005 10:57
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Beg, borrow, steal or buy his wheels, or a similar set!
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Sat, 22 January 2005 09:46
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so you'll come to the drags on 16 Feb at WSID then?
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Sat, 22 January 2005 23:31
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Joel youll need to make some anti vibration dampners on that, and maybe brace the seat back as well, youll be suprised how much vibration they generate without someone sitting in it, use some soft rubber or foam between the mounting plate and camera and it will help absorb some of it
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Sun, 23 January 2005 23:10
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Thanks for that Michael, will take a trip down to Clarkes rubber and see what they have.
Cheers
Joel
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Mon, 24 January 2005 05:44
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MMMM .... nice Enkeis 
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Mon, 24 January 2005 05:47
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Ya think? Compared to the Watanabe's??
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Mon, 24 January 2005 11:21
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I finished mounting the battery box tonight.
After much confusion and different ideas from people/engineers etc I finally decided on a method to mount it.
There is a metal tray in the bottom of the box that has bolts going through the floor.
I then have threaded rods hooking into the tray with a brace across the top of the battery holding it down.
This method seems the only one that an engineer will consider passing in NSW.
Here is a pic :
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Tue, 25 January 2005 10:34
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Mmmm LSD
This is the Torsen Trutrac centre I got ages ago in a group buy. With the drags coming up it gave me a kick in the arse to get it installed.
Highly recommend Jmac out Blacktown way for diff work. Very good price & turn-around time!
Cheers
Joel
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Wed, 26 January 2005 21:35
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I think the gold28 has you intimidated again. Every time we line up for a race, you turn up with another piece of performance enhancing hardware. Am I jealous, too right I am. Whens it going in????
I think I will be doing a diff centre swap this weekend, not beacause I have an LSD to put in it but because I don't think the one currently in it will cope with a hard launch. I upped the boost to 18psi and it sounds like it wants to drop its guts all over the road. Me in the celica when it all goes wrong.=>  
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Wed, 26 January 2005 22:50
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Hey mate , its actually already in went in yesterday morning.
I have to do 800km or so of under 70km/h driving to allow the bearings to wear in.. Argh its shocking doing 70km on the F3. Ended up on the old pacific hwy instead so I wasn't holding everyone up.
Must rack up 800 km before the drags...
Good luck with your diff change man. Will you eventually swap to an F series?
Hmm 18psi thats getting scarey now! Will be a very interesting race I predict
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Re: Joel - 3T-GTE 1977 RA28 Celica
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Wed, 26 January 2005 23:16
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Man I bet that is gonna be the longest 800km you've ever done.
Yep the idea is to upgrade again and put an F in it. That was the original intention anyway.
The 18psi is a strange one. The gen 3 cut out at 16psi. When I put the old motor back in, I turned the boost down to about 12psi (the top end is a little worn) to be a bit gentler on it. I decided to put the boost back up to 15psi for the drags, turned the knob a little too far and it hit 18psi no problems. The only difference is the long motor, all the peripherals are the same.
I wonder if it is due to different cams between the two engines. Cos the gen 2 is definitly laggier than the gen3. Maybe the gen 2 just needs more pressure to make the same power/airflow.
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