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Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Mon, 11 November 2002 10:57
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Just Curious,
Are there any readers, or posters out there that have Drift Spec Toyotas, or any info on the minimum requirement add-ons for some cool sidewayz action
Drifting in a standard OLD car is not exactly the best and doesn't do wonders for the standard hardware
Oh, and you don't have to be a RWDriver to go sidewayz, FWDrivers have just as much fun ^^; - Just a friendly thought ^^)
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I supported Toymods
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Mon, 11 November 2002 10:59
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fwd might be able to go sideways hehe
but it can't drift 
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Mon, 11 November 2002 11:06
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I have a drift-spec Toyota... it's a stock Mk2 Supra with crap tyres. Works for me!
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Mon, 11 November 2002 11:08
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| Ribbo wrote on Mon, 11 November 2002 21:59 |
fwd might be able to go sideways hehe
but it can't drift
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LOL I like that.
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Newcastle
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Mon, 11 November 2002 11:27
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I got an AE71 corolla that has been lowered 65mm with STIFF K-mac springs 
It goes sideways very well  apart from that it is stock
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Mon, 11 November 2002 13:27
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I got an AE71 corolla that has been lowered 65mm with STIFF K-mac springs
It goes sideways very well apart from that it is stock
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Is that when you put maccas trays under the real wheels and pull up the handbrake
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Mon, 11 November 2002 13:31
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Its a RWD rolla! the same shape as a KE70
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Mon, 11 November 2002 21:38
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ooh....sorry my mistake. Hope I didn't offend.
But damn maccas trays are funny!
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Tue, 12 November 2002 01:03
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my 77 celica drifts pretty well i always thought.
*remembers the good ole days*
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Tue, 12 November 2002 01:19
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| rollaboy wrote on Mon, 11 November 2002 22:08 |
| Ribbo wrote on Mon, 11 November 2002 21:59 |
fwd might be able to go sideways hehe
but it can't drift
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LOL I like that.
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Good old Macca's trays ehh bretty..
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Tue, 12 November 2002 01:26
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FWD's can get sideways very easily...
Coming up Spit Road towards Mosman up the top at the two 90 degree corners was fun!!!
Get into the apex of the corner, give the steering wheel a bit of a jolt and the back went straight out...Kep it sideways through the whole corner...
The road was dry aswell...
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Tue, 12 November 2002 01:37
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there is a diffrence between going sideways and drifting
drifting starts before the corner
not just going sidways on the way out 
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Tue, 12 November 2002 01:45
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yeah i think rolla boy was saying he was sideways not drifting... side ways in a FWD car with 4 wheel steer is some crazy shit cause the rear wheels turn oppisite way to the fronts so when the back decides to lose traction the wheels are pointing in the why the back of the car is sliding... it really makes you want to pull the steering wheel back the other way to correct it.. but hey that could only mean trouble... 
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Tue, 12 November 2002 02:04
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Dylusion, you're right on the money...
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Tue, 12 November 2002 05:01
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Whos says a FWD car can't drift at the start of a corner
It just means you guys aren't game enough to hit the corner harder
Just cause the rear wheels don't spin doesn't mean the car cannot crab walk
Just hit the corner at a faster speed and before you actually hit the corner get the car completely perpindicular to the kerb and the car will naturally slide controlling with the accelerator
I see AWD/4WD cars drift, if you can get your car sideways before and out of the corner no matter what drivetrain than that car DRIFTS
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Tue, 12 November 2002 05:18
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What is the big deal with drifting?
sideways is fine, but drifting??
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Tue, 12 November 2002 05:33
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Yeah Cuz,
I got a fully sick man to the max drift spec Trueno, Got a huge rear wing angles straight up, sits about 3m high. Slammed to the groung wif heaps of drift spec stickers on all da windows.
Got flashing lamps and eeps a name brand gear. slides betta dan dem nizzin salivas
Drift to da maxxx
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Tue, 12 November 2002 07:03
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fully sik bro
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Tue, 12 November 2002 09:36
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i'm going to say much the same thing, only in a rather less subtle, but possibly more polite way...
'drift spec'?
if by drift spec you mean cars that can get the back out?
yep. there's plenty of us.
if by drift spec you mean 'looks like the cars from initial d', then you're likely to be sadly disappointed.
i'd say you'd find plenty of guys in here with light rwd cars with decent suspension, a bit of power, and a willingness to throw them round corners, but i'd also say you wouldn't find many who'd ever call their cars 'drift spec'.
and yes, fwd cars can get sideways, but a half-arsed handbrake turn in a carpark in mum's auto camry does not a drifter make.
and now, back to the hilarity.
EDIT: and i'd like to make it clear to you that i can have just as much sideways fun in my mate's stock ae86 sprinter (with boat anchor engine and dogshit suspension over all 4 wheels) as i can in my 4age/nice suspension equipped one. i learned sideways in a 4g32 equipped mitsubishi L300 express. for those who might not know, that's an asthmatic 1600cc sohc carburetted column shift VAN with leaf spring suspension and a centre of gravity somewhere out between here and pluto. now tell me about minimum requirements for 'sideways action'.
[Updated on: Tue, 12 November 2002 09:41]
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Tue, 12 November 2002 09:42
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| dylusion wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 12:19 |
| rollaboy wrote on Mon, 11 November 2002 22:08 |
| Ribbo wrote on Mon, 11 November 2002 21:59 |
fwd might be able to go sideways hehe
but it can't drift
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LOL I like that.
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Good old Macca's trays ehh bretty..
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LOL thats the sh*t lukey.
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Tue, 12 November 2002 10:12
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My Supra is a sort of a drifta,
Its got
-Slightly lowered with Kings springs
-K-Mac camber adjusters
-Koni uprated shocks
-Tightened LSD to almost locker point
-265 tyres on the back end
-Most importantly 300rwhp
Drifts nicely into, out, during and in stright lines!
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Tue, 12 November 2002 10:31
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| rollaboy wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 20:42 |
| dylusion wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 12:19 |
| rollaboy wrote on Mon, 11 November 2002 22:08 |
| Ribbo wrote on Mon, 11 November 2002 21:59 |
fwd might be able to go sideways hehe
but it can't drift
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LOL I like that.
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Good old Macca's trays ehh bretty..
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LOL thats the sh*t lukey.
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DAMN STRAIGHT.... if anyone with a FWD car has not put maccas trays underneath the rear wheels then driven round with the hand brake on... tis a lot of fun...
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Tue, 12 November 2002 10:57
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| dylusion wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 21:31 |
| rollaboy wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 20:42 |
| dylusion wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 12:19 |
| rollaboy wrote on Mon, 11 November 2002 22:08 |
| Ribbo wrote on Mon, 11 November 2002 21:59 |
fwd might be able to go sideways hehe
but it can't drift
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LOL I like that.
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Good old Macca's trays ehh bretty..
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LOL thats the sh*t lukey.
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DAMN STRAIGHT.... if anyone with a FWD car has not put maccas trays underneath the rear wheels then driven round with the hand brake on... tis a lot of fun...
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Yes i would also reckonmend trying this.
Wooh look at all the quotes. hehehe
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Tue, 12 November 2002 11:03
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damn paul
i cant wait to see the new beast
how r things going with it?
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Tue, 12 November 2002 11:03
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| rollaboy wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 21:57 |
| dylusion wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 21:31 |
| rollaboy wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 20:42 |
| dylusion wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 12:19 |
| rollaboy wrote on Mon, 11 November 2002 22:08 |
| Ribbo wrote on Mon, 11 November 2002 21:59 |
fwd might be able to go sideways hehe
but it can't drift
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LOL I like that.
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Good old Macca's trays ehh bretty..
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LOL thats the sh*t lukey.
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DAMN STRAIGHT.... if anyone with a FWD car has not put maccas trays underneath the rear wheels then driven round with the hand brake on... tis a lot of fun...
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Yes i would also reckonmend trying this.
Wooh look at all the quotes. hehehe
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I've tryed this with my ET pulsar
heheheehe anougher quote
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Tue, 12 November 2002 11:11
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| FLY PSI wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 22:03 |
| rollaboy wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 21:57 |
| dylusion wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 21:31 |
| rollaboy wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 20:42 |
| dylusion wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 12:19 |
| rollaboy wrote on Mon, 11 November 2002 22:08 |
| Ribbo wrote on Mon, 11 November 2002 21:59 |
fwd might be able to go sideways hehe
but it can't drift
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LOL I like that.
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Good old Macca's trays ehh bretty..
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LOL thats the sh*t lukey.
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DAMN STRAIGHT.... if anyone with a FWD car has not put maccas trays underneath the rear wheels then driven round with the hand brake on... tis a lot of fun...
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Yes i would also reckonmend trying this.
Wooh look at all the quotes. hehehe
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I've tryed this with my ET pulsar
heheheehe anougher quote
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Hey what engines came out in the ET pulsar's??
I wonder how long till the thread blows up??
Anyone got any driving tips for a FWD car??
Sorry about taking over the thread a little. 
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Tue, 12 November 2002 11:16
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Holy crap...
How big can one quote get???
The last time I tried Maccas trays, they broke and didn't stay under the wheels  ...
Then we drove home going "ka boom, ka boom, ka boom"... BLOODY FLATSPOTS...
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Tue, 12 November 2002 11:20
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| rollaboy wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 22:11 |
| FLY PSI wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 22:03 |
| rollaboy wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 21:57 |
| dylusion wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 21:31 |
| rollaboy wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 20:42 |
| dylusion wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 12:19 |
| rollaboy wrote on Mon, 11 November 2002 22:08 |
| Ribbo wrote on Mon, 11 November 2002 21:59 |
fwd might be able to go sideways hehe
but it can't drift
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LOL I like that.
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Good old Macca's trays ehh bretty..
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LOL thats the sh*t lukey.
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DAMN STRAIGHT.... if anyone with a FWD car has not put maccas trays underneath the rear wheels then driven round with the hand brake on... tis a lot of fun...
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Yes i would also reckonmend trying this.
Wooh look at all the quotes. hehehe
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I've tryed this with my ET pulsar
heheheehe anougher quote
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Hey what engines came out in the ET pulsar's??
I wonder how long till the thread blows up??
Anyone got any driving tips for a FWD car??
Sorry about taking over the thread a little.
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The ET came out with the E15ET, but ive takin mine out now and have fitted a CA18DET
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Tue, 12 November 2002 11:32
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Drifting - isnt that just a new term for a controlled powerslide ?
Just to clarify it for me would be nice since ive pretty much set my car up to grip more than slip. I can get it to hang the bum out a little - but considering ive got very good tyres on the back and a well put together suspension package and really in all honesty not enough torque to get the rear wheels to break traction intentionally ouside of greasy roads ( goodyear f1's are pretty damn sticky ) - id prefer not having them bagged up for the sake of claming myself as a "Drifta" and being fully sic and all bro
And also - fwd drifting? whats the go there ??
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Tue, 12 November 2002 11:42
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| FLY PSI wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 22:20 |
| rollaboy wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 22:11 |
| FLY PSI wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 22:03 |
| rollaboy wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 21:57 |
| dylusion wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 21:31 |
| rollaboy wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 20:42 |
| dylusion wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 12:19 |
| rollaboy wrote on Mon, 11 November 2002 22:08 |
| Ribbo wrote on Mon, 11 November 2002 21:59 |
fwd might be able to go sideways hehe
but it can't drift
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LOL I like that.
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Good old Macca's trays ehh bretty..
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LOL thats the sh*t lukey.
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DAMN STRAIGHT.... if anyone with a FWD car has not put maccas trays underneath the rear wheels then driven round with the hand brake on... tis a lot of fun...
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Yes i would also reckonmend trying this.
Wooh look at all the quotes. hehehe
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I've tryed this with my ET pulsar
heheheehe anougher quote
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Hey what engines came out in the ET pulsar's??
I wonder how long till the thread blows up??
Anyone got any driving tips for a FWD car??
Sorry about taking over the thread a little.
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The ET came out with the E15ET, but ive takin mine out now and have fitted a CA18DET
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nothing to do with the quote really... but classique71.. i think these FWD boys are trying to justify themslves amongst us RWD men 
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Tue, 12 November 2002 11:45
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| dylusion wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 22:42 |
| FLY PSI wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 22:20 |
| rollaboy wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 22:11 |
| FLY PSI wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 22:03 |
| rollaboy wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 21:57 |
| dylusion wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 21:31 |
| rollaboy wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 20:42 |
| dylusion wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 12:19 |
| rollaboy wrote on Mon, 11 November 2002 22:08 |
| Ribbo wrote on Mon, 11 November 2002 21:59 |
fwd might be able to go sideways hehe
but it can't drift
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LOL I like that.
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Good old Macca's trays ehh bretty..
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LOL thats the sh*t lukey.
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DAMN STRAIGHT.... if anyone with a FWD car has not put maccas trays underneath the rear wheels then driven round with the hand brake on... tis a lot of fun...
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Yes i would also reckonmend trying this.
Wooh look at all the quotes. hehehe
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I've tryed this with my ET pulsar
heheheehe anougher quote
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Hey what engines came out in the ET pulsar's??
I wonder how long till the thread blows up??
Anyone got any driving tips for a FWD car??
Sorry about taking over the thread a little.
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The ET came out with the E15ET, but ive takin mine out now and have fitted a CA18DET
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nothing to do with the quote really... but classique71.. i think these FWD boys are trying to justify themslves amongst us RWD men
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WOH.. i didnt realise the quote was this big 
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Tue, 12 November 2002 11:50
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| dylusion wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 22:45 |
| dylusion wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 22:42 |
| FLY PSI wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 22:20 |
| rollaboy wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 22:11 |
| FLY PSI wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 22:03 |
| rollaboy wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 21:57 |
| dylusion wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 21:31 |
| rollaboy wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 20:42 |
| dylusion wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 12:19 |
| rollaboy wrote on Mon, 11 November 2002 22:08 |
| Ribbo wrote on Mon, 11 November 2002 21:59 |
fwd might be able to go sideways hehe
but it can't drift
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LOL I like that.
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Good old Macca's trays ehh bretty..
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LOL thats the sh*t lukey.
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DAMN STRAIGHT.... if anyone with a FWD car has not put maccas trays underneath the rear wheels then driven round with the hand brake on... tis a lot of fun...
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Yes i would also reckonmend trying this.
Wooh look at all the quotes. hehehe
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I've tryed this with my ET pulsar
heheheehe anougher quote
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Hey what engines came out in the ET pulsar's??
I wonder how long till the thread blows up??
Anyone got any driving tips for a FWD car??
Sorry about taking over the thread a little.
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The ET came out with the E15ET, but ive takin mine out now and have fitted a CA18DET
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nothing to do with the quote really... but classique71.. i think these FWD boys are trying to justify themslves amongst us RWD men
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WOH.. i didnt realise the quote was this big
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Not trying to justify a thing! My daily driver is a RWD AE71 rolla , mt ET is my project that is nearly finished
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Tue, 12 November 2002 11:53
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| FLY PSI wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 22:50 |
| dylusion wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 22:45 |
| dylusion wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 22:42 |
| FLY PSI wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 22:20 |
| rollaboy wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 22:11 |
| FLY PSI wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 22:03 |
| rollaboy wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 21:57 |
| dylusion wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 21:31 |
| rollaboy wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 20:42 |
| dylusion wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 12:19 |
| rollaboy wrote on Mon, 11 November 2002 22:08 |
| Ribbo wrote on Mon, 11 November 2002 21:59 |
fwd might be able to go sideways hehe
but it can't drift
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LOL I like that.
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Good old Macca's trays ehh bretty..
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LOL thats the sh*t lukey.
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DAMN STRAIGHT.... if anyone with a FWD car has not put maccas trays underneath the rear wheels then driven round with the hand brake on... tis a lot of fun...
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Yes i would also reckonmend trying this.
Wooh look at all the quotes. hehehe
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I've tryed this with my ET pulsar
heheheehe anougher quote
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Hey what engines came out in the ET pulsar's??
I wonder how long till the thread blows up??
Anyone got any driving tips for a FWD car??
Sorry about taking over the thread a little.
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The ET came out with the E15ET, but ive takin mine out now and have fitted a CA18DET
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nothing to do with the quote really... but classique71.. i think these FWD boys are trying to justify themslves amongst us RWD men
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WOH.. i didnt realise the quote was this big
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Not trying to justify a thing! My daily driver is a RWD AE71 rolla , mt ET is my project that is nearly finished
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TEHEHEHEHEHE not long till it explodes
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Tue, 12 November 2002 12:05
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how do u quote but with the name of who ever said it on top?
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Tue, 12 November 2002 12:08
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get over the "quotes" can u
its makes the damn thread hard to read 
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Tue, 12 November 2002 12:42
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| Classique71 wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 21:32 |
Drifting - isnt that just a new term for a controlled powerslide ?
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No. There's a difference between "skids" and "drift", although most of the self-proclaimed drifters out there don't seem to realise it.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Wed, 13 November 2002 02:18
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| Norbie wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 23:42 |
| Classique71 wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 21:32 |
Drifting - isnt that just a new term for a controlled powerslide ?
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No. There's a difference between "skids" and "drift", although most of the self-proclaimed drifters out there don't seem to realise it.
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Who said anything about Skids. A powerslide is not a a skid.
And to answer your question Classique71, a powerslide is basically drifting but drifting is more intense.
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Wed, 13 November 2002 04:53
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Sorry, but a powerslide is NOT drift. If you're fully crossed-up before the apex, that's drifting. If you hang the tail out after the apex, that's just a powerslide - but as I said, most people seem to think this qualifies as "drift".
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Wed, 13 November 2002 04:53
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is it just me or are there two completely different types of drifters?
people who go out of their way to have a drifter image and modify the suspension to allow easier drift. ie big camber, compromized spring rates..
people who have traditionally setup, balanced handling cars but are able to control it well under power or brake oversteer.. often better than a fool sik driftoR.
People who can keep the tyres lit up and still go as fast as a gripper are really few and far between IMO.
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Wed, 13 November 2002 05:07
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Norbie,
you opinion of a powerslide differs to mine.
Look at games like Daytona. You powerslide in that.
IMO:
Powerslide is youve just come into a turn and youve hung the ass out with the tyres lit up.
Drift i agree with what youve said, you need the ass end out before you hit the turn with the tyres lit up. (thats why i said basically the same but drift is more intense as you start ur sideways earlier.)
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Wed, 13 November 2002 06:45
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From what I've read on the subject.....
Drift is a four-wheel powerslide..... ie all four wheels sliding controled through the powered wheels (be it FWD or RWD) spining.
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Wed, 13 November 2002 23:40
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I agree with Norbie. A powerslide is just hanging the tail out after you've hit the apex.
A drift requires loss of grip from all four wheels before the apex.
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Thu, 14 November 2002 00:10
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if anyone has seen those high octane and videos of the net of drifting, that shot of the drift rx7 & silvia come into the u turn type corner the front end is nearly touching the inside of the corner and the back end is out thru the whole corner thats a controlled drifta and i take my hat of for guys who can do that
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Thu, 14 November 2002 04:56
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Now for Rex's theory,
Ive done a fair bit of sliding around in my little '86 (so i have some knowledge how a car slides) and my grasping of the whole subject is this:
Drift is a deliberately sustained oversteer slide where the car is purposely setup/held sideways into, through and out of a corner. Often using drastic measures to slew the car sideways in the first place (eg; handbrake, clutch pop, flick)
True Drift is then linking several corners together without gaining rear wheel traction between them.
Powerslide on the other hand is an oversteer slide but just one where the driver puts his foot down through the corner so it slides just after the apex and out of the corner. To put it simply A powerslide is like the last half of a Drift.
Nark & Remedy,
I think your idea of losing grip on all four wheels is wrong.
(Assumuing RWD) Rear wheels lose grip because the torque being transmitted to the ground compromises the grip limits and allows the wheels to be pushed laterally.
The front wheels, having no torque to transfer will maintain thier grip. This is wuy if you do a standstill and get someone to push on the side of the car, the rear will gradually rotate/swing around the front wheels (which stay in place).
4WD on the other hand is a different story.
Car handling/Drifting/Sliding is one of those areas where there is an abundance of variables combining into some very complex physical relationships. Much of what seperates a lame driver from a good driver is being able to understand what and how these relationships work.
If anyone fancy's some more explanation. Ill do my best.
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Thu, 14 November 2002 05:24
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So your idea of a drift is just losing grip on the rear wheels?
IMHO, that's wrong. A real drift requires loss of grip to all four wheels where you control the drift angle with the accelerator. The front wheels should be pretty much straight.
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Thu, 14 November 2002 06:48
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Well said Maxy man....
The old Celica used to do quite well up the old pacific, with a fukd LSD and its understeering traits (understeer easilly fixed by right foot). Wakefield Park is a good place to practice.......especially the 1st and last turns....ie, come in way too quick, stand on the anchors and turn in, as soon as she starts to get tail happy, feather the loud pedal and adjust oppo to suit....
Drift you say?? Well how does 300+rwhp, Torsen Hilux LSD (no, that is NOT a factory built item), boost vs. throttle control (i love you motec) and steering wheel switchable traction control ( i still love you motec) sound ??? And a kerb weight of ~1050kg.....!!!
2 months and ye all will see
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Thu, 14 November 2002 13:03
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Hold on
How can you say that a drift occurs when you lose all traction across the four wheels, if that was to happen then wouldn't the car just slide into the gutter
The wheels never lose traction its just the wheel slide easier, and its the shift of body weight, control by the accelerator to push the car in the direction of which ever way the front wheels are facing (RWD of course)
Yes i admit the wheels do lose grip, BUT then they also produce enough grip to turn, in a spinning kind of way
CCB - "I'm so glad my message has touched so many hearts" ^^;
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Thu, 14 November 2002 14:33
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in a drift, and yes i mean in the 'osaka drift boyz' sense of it, the front wheels do NOT lose traction. the whole idea of the drift is to have the back wheels arced up and the fronts pointing where you want to go.
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Thu, 14 November 2002 15:27
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yep thats why ppl dial in huge neg. camber on the fronts so that when they are on almost full oppy lock the tyre has almost full contact with the road.
As for all four wheels losing traction that just doesn't make sense, if all four wheels lose tractions (im talking RWD) then the car would just keep going in a straight line, the front has to grip so the rear can swing around it
4wd drift however the fronts do lose SOME traction and actually pulls the front thru the corner at the same time as having the arse end trying to meet the front end.
fwd drift is a bit more complicated than just the ol hand brake, sure u CAN just use the handbrake, but the idea is to use yur left foot to jump on the brakes while having your right foot flat to the floor this'll lock up the rears and also transfer more weight to the front ie more front grip less rear grip so the front will actually go around the corner while the back hangs out
This completes our late nite lesson in drift
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Thu, 14 November 2002 16:04
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Nark is correct. The fastest possible drift would be where little or no steering is used. If the front wheels have remained almost stright throught the whole corner then the car has cornered faster than the tyres grip would normally allow.
that's how it works in theory I think :/
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Thu, 14 November 2002 23:59
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| froodogs wrote on Fri, 15 November 2002 01:33 |
in a drift, and yes i mean in the 'osaka drift boyz' sense of it, the front wheels do NOT lose traction. the whole idea of the drift is to have the back wheels arced up and the fronts pointing where you want to go.
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Having the front wheels pointing where you want to go does not mean that there's no understeer.
Not losing traction to the front wheels in a "drift" (if you can call it that) is for wimps. Slow wimps at that. They can call themselves whatever they want, it's not a true drift.
You guys should stop watching videos and go out there and actually drive!
And if you like to be educated by videos, I'll refer you to one of the first episodes of Initial D (I think ep 4) where they're at the petrol station watching the Tsuchiya video and they ask Takumi about cornering. He mentions understeer and they laugh at him because they don't understand...
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Fri, 15 November 2002 05:00
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Ask yourself one question, why does everyone who knows what theyre doind (inc Orido and Kiechi) that slides a car bother to wind on copious opposite lock if the front wheels have no grip?
I'm sorry lads but this steering with the throttle concept gets blown way out of proportion. Yes, to a degree you can control a cars rotational attitude around the vertical axis with throttle input but there is far, far more to the equation than what you are suggesting. Even this little spiel won't cover it all.
[Imagine a RWD car is infinitely sliding around a fixed position. With front steering wheels locked into over-steer]
Forget the rear wheels for now.
Centrifugal force will throw an object out of a constant arc unless it is tethered to the center point. Think of the front wheels then as the tether, the grip generated by them (on opposite lock) confining the car to an arc with that same center point. Because this tether is at the front the rest of the car will swing at an angle perpendicular to that given point around the arc, as the rear creates no friction
Lose grip on the front wheels and the car will be thrown from the arc. (A body in motion will continue in that straight line unless a force of change (the tether) acts upon it)
Now lets add the rear wheels to the equation.
[Assuming constantly spinning at 50% of peak torque and 100% front end grip]
The friction generated by the rear wheels, while they are spinning is still enough to push the car forwards, only because they are spinning the tyres lateral grip limits become compromised, however they are still generating some level of friction to resist lateral motion.
Because the spinning wheels are still generating some level friction they push the car forwards into its effective steering arc [the tether]. Also creating drag, in that the rear wheels are opposing the centrifugal force trying to swing the car at the perpendicular angle mentioned earlier thus the car will swing at some angle between 0 and 90 degrees to its steering arc.
This is where steering with the throttle comes into it. Stomp on the throttle [100% torque loading] and the friction generated by the rear wheels will be reduced. This reduces the lateral drag acting against the centrifugal force and yaws the car to a sliding angle greater than is previous. (the automobile over-steers more) as the body yaws the fixed steering angle .
Reduce the amount of throttle [approx 20% torque loading] and the rear wheels will generate more friction, hence pushing the car harder into its effective steering arc. This combined with an increase in rear end drag will push the car into a larger rotational arc.
Note that at no point do the front wheels lose their grip, the grip generated by the front wheels is a crucial ingredient in determining the arc at which the vehicle travels. The throttle input can be used to alter the cars radius from the imaginary center-point by alter the angle from the arc and also forcing the car harder into its effective steering grip. The throttle cannot however steer the car, general steering direction is a product of front wheel grip and rear wheel friction pushing the car into this grip thus steering angle.
Remember the front wheels can only lose their lateral grip with inertia or torque loading. And when the friction generated by the tyres overcomes this inertia the front wheels stop and stay put while the rear end with its lack of friction continues to force the car to yaw
Remove any steering angle and you'll end up with perfect donuts as the rear end will spin, pivoting on the lateral grip generated by the front wheels.
Like I said earlier there is far more to the equation like inertia and weight distribution. But if you think Im going into that, Youre Crazy.
Nark I think is referring to an 'inertia' drift where the car comes in very hot and uses its inertia to push it into a slide, however this still uses very much counter steered front end grip to prevent it from swapping ends.
[Updated on: Fri, 15 November 2002 05:11]
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Fri, 15 November 2002 06:21
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nark: what rex said.
basically, if all four wheels lost traction you WOULD NOT GO AROUND THE CORNER. it's that simple. if you have no traction to the front wheels, you end in the paddock.
if you're talking about a 'straight line drift', you'll notice that even then, the driver ALWAYS has his front wheels pointing the way he's moving. i'm not saying he's got 100% grip (there's no such thing) but it's mostly there, because if he didn't have any in a situation like that, the car would just spin or slide off into the dirt.
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Fri, 15 November 2002 07:41
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Settle down guys. No-one said the front wheels would have absolutely no traction. The back wheels in any drift never have no grip either or the car would simply spin straight around. It's also hard to explain the smoke generated by front and rear tyres in any good drift if there is no traction and therefore no friction.
There is always slip angle on the front wheels at any time a car is turning. This is going to be present to a greater or lesser when you are turning and is happening when drifting.
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Fri, 15 November 2002 08:37
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First someone says that all four wheels lose traction which = gutter
Now someones saying that the REAR wheels NEVER have any grip
You can't just say that cause the wheels are spinning, if so then your telling me its the front wheels that causes the car to slide since the rear wheels are now floating due to no grip
The rear wheels MUST have grip *to a certain degree* since it is the rear wheels that do push the car thru the turn, and also add to the shift of the rear weight, but they MUST grip to keep the car in the drift line, and power out of it
The only reason why the rear wheels spin is to help give the car a gliding motion around the corner, but the driver must decelerate to give the second fraction moment of grip to keep the car from spining in a 360
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Fri, 15 November 2002 14:11
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Who ever said that the front or rear wheels lost total grip? You guys should get over that absurd little detail. Of course they can't lose total grip. Duh!
What I'm saying is that you need understeer just as much as you need oversteer to drift. It's a balance of both that give you a true drift.
And as I stated earlier, the front wheels can be in opposite lock and still understeer. It just depends on how much oppy lock you've dialled in.
There is no drift with 100% grip at the front. Full stop. End of story.
And this applies to any kind of drift not just the inertia drift (scandanavian flick).
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Fri, 15 November 2002 14:24
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| froodogs wrote on Fri, 15 November 2002 17:21 |
if you're talking about a 'straight line drift', you'll notice that even then, the driver ALWAYS has his front wheels pointing the way he's moving. i'm not saying he's got 100% grip (there's no such thing) but it's mostly there, because if he didn't have any in a situation like that, the car would just spin or slide off into the dirt.
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If you watch carefully, the good guys will have the front wheels pointing in the general direction, but not the exact direction... There is always a slip angle.
Better yet, go out and do it yourself. The harder you push, the more you'll understand why the understeer is important. Without the understeer, there's only a certain amount of power that you can put down before the car spins.
Understeer allows you to put down more power. And if the wheel is straight, you're putting down the maximum power that's possible.
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Re: Anyone Got A DRIFT Spec Toyota ^^?
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Fri, 15 November 2002 14:28
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| CheeseCake_Bandit wrote on Fri, 15 November 2002 19:37 |
The only reason why the rear wheels spin is to help give the car a gliding motion around the corner, but the driver must decelerate to give the second fraction moment of grip to keep the car from spining in a 360
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Err... If you decelerate midway through a corner you push the weight to the front and you will lose traction to the rear...
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