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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Mon, 08 August 2005 08:35
 
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thanks heaps everyone for you replies, its really appreciated.
in the scenario that i'd have to do a full rebuild, doing most of the work myself, how much money would i be looking at having to spend? anyone else done any rebuilds? and would the car be alot more reliable after a rebuild?
oh, and while i was doing it, depending on the cost i would look at modding it at the same time.
thanks everyone
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Mon, 08 August 2005 23:13
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well I think my gt4 has been on the road long enough
this time around ( been about 2 months )
so I'm pulling it off the road for more mods
due to factory wastegate shitting itself 
decided to add custom exhaust manifold and tial
external wastegate, upgrading front brakes to a much
larger setup, and trialing a multi coil setup
I will be taking more photos this time and
giving detailed updates on how its going 
cheers 
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 09 August 2005 01:02
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hey guys,
what sort of probs do youse all have with your 185's?
i haven't broken anything that has been hard to come by (touch wood), tho i have broken a spring, and my inner CV joint has shit itself.
Started on the install of a GT2871RS yesterday, turbo out, manifold plate cut and tacked into where the turbo is going to sit, got my lines organised for around $50 (braided oil feed, and mix steel tube and pipe for oil drain, tho need to get some silicone hose for water), all i need to do is somehow enlarge the standard intake hose by the tiniest amount and manipulate it a bit to make it fit onto the new position.
Removing the turbo and downpipe was easy enough, just pulled the whole lot out in one big lump (custom downpipe) so it came out manifold, turbo, EGR (apparently), downpipe, oil lines, all in one lump! pretty nifty
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 09 August 2005 01:14
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Hehe i thought your car had been on the road for a bit too long troy  So it back to the POS meteor to get to work ?  Hope it all goes smoothly for u troy so its not off the road for too long and u get some nice power figures from it Still owe me a ride and somethin tells me that after these mods it will be a good time for it 
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 09 August 2005 01:14
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Of all the things that have gone wrong with my car none of them have been very expensive.
The things I have replaced are just the normal belts, boots, engine mounts etc. and lots of clips!
Obviously doing the work yourself will save you heaps... especially any work that involves the engine being removed (e.g. clutch)
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 09 August 2005 04:53
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Dude its not much to maintain if you pickup one in good nick, and parts are not a problem, most jap imports have st185 half cuts lying around for those rolla boys who want some real power. So dont worry about the parts too much!
Ive had mine on the road since March, and am happy to say nothing has gone wrong up until the other day, the front passenger side, there is a massive knock, and it happens when it wants too, ive checked it all out, everything is tight, no loose bolts. Its a bit of a dilema, have no idea what it is, maybe a CV shaft,
Has anyone else experienced this?? any ideas??
For mods, ive gone with Tein super street struts and j-speed braces all around. I have to buy the polyuthere bushes but it would make a difference im guessing considering the curret ones are coming on age.
Also ive got a straight intake mod, and its a great first mod, you can hear the turbo spool down and the induction noise is awesome, i love that.
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I Supported Toymods
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 09 August 2005 05:29
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Engine mount?
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 09 August 2005 05:47
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Thanks! I just had a look, and the rubber surround has broken off, and is dangling there, but the actual mount itself seemed solid dude, there is a bit of paint missing around that area though, not sure. Do you know how much a mount is off the top of your head by anychance?
The noise itself, the whole car vibrates, the noise travels through the center console and dash and rattles the shit out of it and the car!   The mounts on the exhuast are all sweeet, and its not hitting the tail shaft.
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 09 August 2005 06:51
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Depends which mount is busted but they're all around $100 +/- $20
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 09 August 2005 13:15
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ok Guys
Whats quicker a modded Gt4 or a modded GTIR I have drivin my mates GTIR fair bit of work 200 kw and its a weapon. I want to be able to beat him one day will I have success???
Cheers
Andrew
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 09 August 2005 20:33
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Depends how modded.
I never saw a GTiR win a WRC?
You could just drop a V8 in to be sure
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 09 August 2005 23:17
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I would hazard a guess that the GTiR would be a lot lighter than a GT4.
I think if you wanted a drag car then a GT4 wouldn't be the way to go.
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Wed, 10 August 2005 05:20
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i havent personally seen a GTiR in action, but my friend tells me how quick they are. he then goes on to tell me that one blew its engine on a dyno recently.. i was like pfft.
lol.
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Wed, 10 August 2005 08:43
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Does anyone know the standard vaccum reading for a 205 at idle, ie 750 rpm. Graeme, Webstor, im looking towards you guys?
My 205 motor only wants to boost to 6.5psi instead of 13.5psi? I think its a boost/vacuum leak and the idle, boost guage, and fuel consumption and drop off in power support this but im not sure because i've never had a 205 before and have only put like 300km on this since the conversion. There was a hissing noise which is telltale boost leak but it has not since returned.
PS: Mod for mod RNN14 will destroy a GT4. Put it down to weight and power. I personally have seen one lay down 196rwk with just a 3" turbo back system, 1 bar boost and a pod filter. This is exceptional even for GTiRs but the motor has only done 85,000km - regular ones aren't far off this. Plus LSDs front, centre, and back help a shitload, as the inherent understeer can be dialled out with suspension.
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Wed, 10 August 2005 10:13
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Mine seems to be about -0.6hkpa below atmospheric so about 0.4hkpa
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Thu, 11 August 2005 01:29
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| KYOTO wrote on Wed, 10 August 2005 18:43 |
PS: Mod for mod RNN14 will destroy a GT4. Put it down to weight and power.
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Well said..... a GTiR will hand its fat ass back to a GT4. As does my 3 cylinder charade with 90kw at the wheels to wrx's. It weighs only 710kg 
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Thu, 11 August 2005 01:40
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| Puffy wrote on Sun, 10 July 2005 11:02 |
 that car is awesome....... wait a minute, thats my car
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Shit i missed this!
Dude do you have any more pics on your car and any more details? It looks awesome for sure!
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Thu, 11 August 2005 02:44
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well I just looked at the stock specs for a gt4 and Gtir
Gtir 1/4 mile stock 13.7 and our Gt4's 15.7 haha whats going on there. o well
still love the look of the Gt4 much cleaner looking car.
with my Gt4 how do I go about installed a front mount do I need a new front bar and front brace made up?? cause having a look in there it looks like a crazy time to fit a front mount in. have you guys still got all your air con working wtih front mounts or is there not enough room??
Andrew
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Thu, 11 August 2005 02:55
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mine probably runs one of the biggest frontmount cores here - all my aircon gear is still intact , all sealed - jjst have to work on a electrical glitch thats stopping the aircon clutch from engaging when turned on ..
All my pipes have clearance - though i have got the group a bumper + group A mount which gives heaps more room to mount up the core
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Thu, 11 August 2005 02:57
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And yes the engine bay looks horrible
ill get more pics of the braces i made when the car comes back
Ayone here done a short throttle cable mod ?
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Thu, 11 August 2005 03:21
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had the car serviced yesterday first one... set me back 650 bucks ouch all belts changed, oils and fluids said the car is in tip top condition. getting them to install a pod filter next week should do it myself but I can't be fucked! is it worth doing will I get spool and waste gate flutter from this mod?
They are going to do me an exaust system for 800 bucks as well is that a fair price.
Andrew
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Thu, 11 August 2005 04:15
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| da_foles wrote on Thu, 11 August 2005 13:21 |
getting them to install a pod filter next week should do it myself but I can't be fucked! is it worth doing will I get spool and waste gate flutter from this mod?
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not 100% sure if we're thinking of the same thing but that "fullysick" wasteate flutter ur looking for is probably compressor surge? and extremely bad for your turbo...but to each his own...if u want to destroy bits and pieces of ur rare classic toyota for the whole rice/fullsick wog theme....im not gonna stop ya
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Thu, 11 August 2005 04:20
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It doesn't destory your turbo thats a myth it might do a small amount of damage but nothing serious.
I will install a bov eventually anyway.
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Thu, 11 August 2005 04:29
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even a small ammount of damage just so u can hear a noise and every1 u drive past will say "listen to that dickhead fucking his turbo just to try and get attention" is rediculous man...wheres ur head at bro....i just dont understand what some people are looking for i guess....i look for performance...i dont get it when ppl are willing to wreck theyre shit just to make a certain noise...but whatever man its ur car...in response to ur origional question, my 165 has a pod on the end of the stock intake piping, its running 11-12 psi and its one of the loudest spools ive heard to be honest...just as it starts to spool or if i back it off slowly i get a bit of a houl "sorta sounds like u got a dog under the hood lol" out of as well..sounds nice..but ive never heard "wastegate flutter" from a gtfour...cheers
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Thu, 11 August 2005 05:28
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is it better to have an atmospheric venting BOV, or no bov at all.
BOV = bad fuel mixtures when it lets air out.
No BOV = more damage to ur turbo
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Thu, 11 August 2005 05:36
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one other thing, im looking at fiiting some 17x7 (offset is 40)wheels to my st165, and the tyres are 205/40.
im worried they might be to wide, and would like to know before i buy the wheels if they will be an easy fit!
thanks
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Thu, 11 August 2005 05:38
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Why the hell would you want to intentionally cause compressor surge?
If you feel like damaging your turbo to make cool noises why not get some performance benefit out of it at the same time??? (i.e. Anti-Lag [Misufiyari sisuta to you sprintah guys])
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Thu, 11 August 2005 06:02
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speaking of blow off valves. i have a greddy type s in perfect nick, which has been sitting in my room for ages. anyone wanna buy it? 
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Thu, 11 August 2005 07:29
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you have 3 choices , plumb back , plumb back or plumb back
AFM + venting to atmo will stuff up your afm readings - and make it run like a dog - thats why most cars have factory plumb backs - ours just isnt one of them ( unless you have st205 motor )
Atmo venting is also illegal in most states, and will most likely get your car canaried
Plumb backs are not - as long as the " waste charge " is plumbed back into your intake piping - it doesnt upset things
Also atmo venting sounds like someone sneezing thru a megaphone -whats cool about that ?
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Thu, 11 August 2005 07:51
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I'm not after the full sick sound just was wondering and it doesn't cause that much damage to your turbo anyway.
I had waste gate flutter on my ET for like 4 years
and yeah the turbo was fine rebuilt t25 its not like the blades get eaten away dude maybe we are talking over 8 years
but yeah. I see what your saying
anyway
cheers
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Thu, 11 August 2005 07:58
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I want a plumb back BOV anyone got one
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Thu, 11 August 2005 09:36
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any1 got anything to say about my wheel question!!
do 17x7 with a 40 offset fit on the st165's!
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Thu, 11 August 2005 09:40
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well guys no gt4 for me just yet. got a reply from the seller saying the car has been sold.
pity, cause i was going to go look at it this weekend, and if it was in good nick, i probably would have bought it
oh well, i'll keep looking. if anyone sees a gt4 (import or no import) in REALLY good condition, with low k's and no mods, let me know!
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Thu, 11 August 2005 10:15
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Mine seems to be about -0.6hkpa below atmospheric so about 0.4hkpa
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Toobs, what rpm is this reading generally at? I take it idle, ie 750rpm? Also, have u any idea what that equates to in psi?
Mine is currently idling at about 1000rpm and reads -20psi. I know on my old motor the idle was 750rpm with a reading of between -22 and -24 psi. Even in this cold weather the car won't boost past 6.5 psi!
For the guy who was interested in BOVs BLKGT4 said he had a Greddy Type S and i have an Apexi Twin Chamber.
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Thu, 11 August 2005 10:51
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[quote title=KYOTO wrote on Thu, 11 August 2005 20:15]| Quote: |
Mine is currently idling at about 1000rpm and reads -20psi. I know on my old motor the idle was 750rpm with a reading of between -22 and -24 psi. Even in this cold weather the car won't boost past 6.5 psi!
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Hi Kyoto,
Those readings are fine.
Check your wastegate to make sure it is operating properly (closed fully). If this is ok, then your cat is blocked if there are no boost leaks.
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Thu, 11 August 2005 11:10
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In regards to damage caused by compressor surge. ST185's suffer from this greater then most due to the short distance from compressor to butterfly.It just cannot be heard as the AFM is a one way gate so people are not aware of it.
Install a HKS vein pressure convertor to remove the afm and the compressor surge becomes very noticeable once a free flowing filter is added.
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Thu, 11 August 2005 11:35
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| sikx5 wrote on Thu, 11 August 2005 11:40 |
Its from Australia for sure, check out the plates(awesome plates).
that car is awesome....... wait a minute, thats my car
Shit i missed this!
Dude do you have any more pics on your car and any more details? It looks awesome for sure!
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I have got more pics but none recent as Im in the middle of a brake upgrade. Just need to fabricate some hubs but just cant find the time lately. Found another pic of the 205 motor before the install. I really need to find all my pics and post them up.
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Thu, 11 August 2005 13:57
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Cheers Puff. Hope your'e right. Can anyone suggets how i would check the operaiton of the actuator? I mean it should be ok, its only got like 70,000km on it. Will be speaking to the person who did the conversion so maybe there is a wiring related reason for the lack of boost.
PS: your motor is pure horn!
PPS: wait till u see what i did with your vent!!
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Thu, 11 August 2005 14:33
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Farva
what Gt4 did u look at?
have u seen the one on carsales.com getting sold buy Nao or something like that thats who I bought mine off.
the one for sale is 6500 needs a bit of work to get complied to add another 1500 onto that then rego.
Andrew
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Fri, 12 August 2005 04:05
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Hey Puffy that cam cover is uber bling!
Do you need sunglasses to work on the car?
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Fri, 12 August 2005 08:35
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Hey all,
Im just wondering if anyone knows the best place to get a metal head gasket for a 185? Is the 205 standard HG from toyota a metal one, and would it fit?
Or can someone recommend a good aftermarket one? better yet, does anyone have one for sale??
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Fri, 12 August 2005 08:59
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Hey Kyoto,
It will not be a wiring issue mate. Is your cat old because the turbo should be fine if its only got 70k on it. I suggest you unbolt the cat and go for a quick lap around the block and see what happens. If it boosts normally then thats your answer. If the problem is still there then its the wastegate.
Toobs..... I keep the bling under the bonnet so not to blind others.
Cant have a bling engine without a bling gearbox
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Fri, 12 August 2005 09:13
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Cheers again Puff. Its running a stock 205 system but with a 2.5" cat back exhaust. I have my old Aussie DP waiting to go on. I reckon it might be the primary cat then. Its coming out when my girlfriend goes OS in a month and i can drive our other car round.
As for the MHG question im 99% sure you can't use 205 head gaskets on 165/185s because the cooling passages would be different. Greenline would be your best bet if ordering over the net but i have a feeling BD4s in Sydney are HKS stockists, try them for a price. Greenline is often cheaper though and if they're not try Perfectrun.
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Fri, 12 August 2005 09:21
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Damn anhar - ydo you expect to drive that car or just leave it clean for ever
My monster donk is already grotty - lol - even with its minimal use !
though i SERIOUSLY ahve to do something about tidying up the wires and hoses - im welcome to suggestions here
Also that short accel.cable mod ? thoughts ?
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Fri, 12 August 2005 11:01
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Hi Guys, I haven't posted on this thread for a while, but I wanted to let you know I found another ST205 (Aust. homologated) on the M4 this evening... plates "GTF-076" so I'm guessing this is #76 of the 77 that were brought into Australia in 1994.
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Sat, 13 August 2005 00:48
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| Puffy wrote on Fri, 12 August 2005 18:59 |
Cant have a bling engine without a bling gearbox
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Bloody hell... how long did it take you to polish the gearbox and cam cover?
Did you just use a dremel + autosol or something a bit more industrial?
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Sat, 13 August 2005 02:57
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Cam cover was not too bad as the buffer wheels did most of the work. I realised that with the heat of a 3sgte that this keeps on tarnishing. Couldnt be bothered removing the cover just to polish it every 2 weeks so ended up chroming it. To chrome alloy you need to polish it to a chrome finish or the plates will not hold (pain in the ASS!)
The gearbox took about 5 hours which included cleaning all the crap off it first. Then was wet n dry followed by grade 2 polish stick with the dremel and a quick rub down with Mothers.
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Sat, 13 August 2005 10:02
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Thought you guys might like to know, there are 3 ST185 half cuts for sale on ebay at the moment, all located in Geelong VIC. Also a polished ST185 Group A W2A IC, but the actual cooler only.
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Sat, 13 August 2005 14:11
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Far out that seller has a lot of half cuts!
Engine looks great Puffy, how many horsies are you expecting to pull from it?
I got some Gravel stage TRD struts in the front of the car. OMG!!!! they are incredible!! Just temp till the Tein super streets arrive. They are amazing. Just wish i had the rear two as well...
and stu, regardin that short accelerator, check out:
http://www.celicagtfour.com/short_throttle_cable.h tm
Just incase you havent seen it yet or somethin.
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Mon, 15 August 2005 00:01
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| Puffy wrote on Sat, 13 August 2005 12:57 |
Cam cover was not too bad as the buffer wheels did most of the work. I realised that with the heat of a 3sgte that this keeps on tarnishing. Couldnt be bothered removing the cover just to polish it every 2 weeks so ended up chroming it. To chrome alloy you need to polish it to a chrome finish or the plates will not hold (pain in the ASS!)
The gearbox took about 5 hours which included cleaning all the crap off it first. Then was wet n dry followed by grade 2 polish stick with the dremel and a quick rub down with Mothers.
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very nice puffy
you are the king of bling
cheers
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Mon, 15 August 2005 00:11
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| Classique71 wrote on Thu, 11 August 2005 12:57 |
And yes the engine bay looks horrible
ill get more pics of the braces i made when the car comes back
Ayone here done a short throttle cable mod ?
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stu
didn't shorten my cable - re ran it down the left side of
engine bay
it looks alot neater than the standard way they run
cheers
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Mon, 15 August 2005 02:57
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Its an engine bay, who cares what it looks like
as long as it goes hard. unless you want a show car why bother spending and wasting the time on making the bay look all rice eater..
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| da_foles wrote on Mon, 15 August 2005 12:57 |
Its an engine bay, who cares what it looks like
as long as it goes hard. unless you want a show car why bother spending and wasting the time on making the bay look all rice eater..
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what if you've got enough money and time to do both 
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Melbourne
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February 2005
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Mon, 15 August 2005 03:08
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i'd like to have a cool looking engine bay.
i spent 3k on a rebuilt motor but had to use my stinky old rocker cover which makes it look like i;ve done nothing to it lol. in the end its not going to change anything performance wise, so it doesnt matter, to me anyway.
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Newcastle
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June 2004
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Mon, 15 August 2005 03:09
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Not to mention when there is shit everywhere its about a thousand times harder to get to things and work on stuff in your engine bay.....
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Brisbane
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September 2004
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Mon, 15 August 2005 03:12
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| da_foles wrote on Mon, 15 August 2005 12:57 |
Its an engine bay, who cares what it looks like
as long as it goes hard. unless you want a show car why bother spending and wasting the time on making the bay look all rice eater..
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Love my freind...its a beautiful thing.
Rice.. ...as if dude.
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May 2002
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Mon, 15 August 2005 03:57
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Why do I bother keeping my engine bay so clean its because I actually work on my car
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