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What to do with a 2jz-gte and 6 speed ? or another project ?
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Mon, 14 April 2003 13:14
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Well i need some ideas.
Looking for an idea for a new project car, must be rwd or 4wd (not that the 2jz will be any good 4wd), preferably light weight'ish. Prefer some after market parts avilable like suspension to make mods a bit more simple, hopefully a stiff, sporty chassis.
I already have in my garage a 2jz-gte (99 model vvt-i) and getrag 6 speed which could be useful for any project, The engine and gearbox has loom etc as its in a car thats mostly complete except every panel had damage ! (for anybody interested i will be selling any un-needed parts) - so anybody with ideas dont be shy.
For the 2jz i was thinking....
Altessa (IS200) - expensive, dont want to ruin a good interior, not a lot of room for a decent cage in is200, expensive parts, not a lot of room for engine / intercooler etc.
MA70/71 Supra -
S13 Silvia - shit body, too old, rust
S15 silvia - cheaper to just do the SR20 up
E36 BMW - place in germany even make engine mounts for this !
Also have some skyline parts around as well like rb26 (needs rebuild) and gearboxes etc so maybe doing something with that 4wd setup.
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Re: What to do with a 2jz-gte and 6 speed ? or another project ?
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Mon, 14 April 2003 21:28
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I'd go for the E36 BMW.
1. You could get a 320i real cheap. (320i because it a 6cyl & the tacho works easily ie.plug it in)
2. Bolt on E36 M3 suspension & diff(good ratio to go with the 6spd).
3. Bolt on E46 M3 brakes & wheels. (mmmmm 19's)
4. As you said, buy the engine mounts off the shelf.
Sounds like a plan for my spare 1JZ when the E30 is finished.
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Re: What to do with a 2jz-gte and 6 speed ? or another project ?
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Mon, 14 April 2003 21:32
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I can think of a million things to do with a 2JZ.. given the money it would be going straight into an MA71. Only problem you have is that they're too heavy and they're getting to the age where they are getting rust and other such problems.
An E30 BMW would be cool...
...I am also very keen on the idea of a Toyota Lexcen with a Toyota 2JZ. Big rims, low, no bodykit. Preferably a wagon 
Sooooo many things you could do!
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Re: What to do with a 2jz-gte and 6 speed ? or another project ?
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Mon, 14 April 2003 21:58
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Commodoor / lexen, wagon i would just dump a v8 into i think. Nice thought though.
When did the 3 series wagons become available ?
The 2 most sensible choices i can see are the E30/E36 BMW or the IS200/Altessa.
The IS200 maybe an eaiser conversion, not really sure, given there is a 2jz in the IS300 now which is just a 200 chassis with an NA 2jz in it.
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Re: What to do with a 2jz-gte and 6 speed ? or another project ?
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Mon, 14 April 2003 22:09
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if you dont mind me asking but how much did u get the 2JZ and box for?
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Re: What to do with a 2jz-gte and 6 speed ? or another project ?
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Mon, 14 April 2003 22:19
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I got my complete car without the fancy rims on it for about $10k landed. I imported myself last year.
At that stage i had other plans. And being a 99 i can put engine in upto a 99 model car.
I think you would pay no less than 6 or 7 grand for an earlier 2jz + 6 speed at a guess cause they are rare as.
3s-ge beams and 6 speed would make a nice conversion into an AE86 i was thinking....
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Re: What to do with a 2jz-gte and 6 speed ? or another project ?
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Mon, 14 April 2003 22:41
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Gen IV 3SGE+AE86 - I was going to do this to mine, I paid a deposit on the engine, then was rung up and told the engine had been 'lost' - how do you 'lose' an engine??
As for the 2JZ... hmmm... the hardships we face  The BMW idea is a good one, although the BMW engines can generally be convinced to live with a fair size turbo themselves thanks to a little German engineering - but by all means go do it.
I wouldn't probably bother putting it into an IS200, I'd tend to think it might end up a tad nose heavy - a hard hitting 3SGTE (or a carefully built 1GGTE that revs beyond 8500??) would be better there, in my opinion for what it's worth
With the Commodore idea, why go to the trouble of adapting a Toyota engine when any Nissan RB engine can be bolted into any pre VT commdore so easily? (Yes, I do think that the 2JZ is classier than an RB engine though!)
So I guess that leaves the Supra/BMW idea - unless you want to bolt it into something stupid like a Sigma and confuse a few people...
Also, if you got GTR bits 'lying around' - no chance you'd like to part with the throttles, is there??
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Re: What to do with a 2jz-gte and 6 speed ? or another project ?
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Tue, 15 April 2003 01:03
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Is the 2JZ from a Supra by any chance ?
I'm interested in a JZA80 LSD if you have one.
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Re: What to do with a 2jz-gte and 6 speed ? or another project ?
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Tue, 15 April 2003 02:16
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Why don't you try to fit one into a later model Nissan 180SX? The ones that were released after the S13 Silvia was discontinued.
I love seeing the look on Nissan owners faces when someone has given a car a Toyota heart 
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Re: What to do with a 2jz-gte and 6 speed ? or another project ?
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Tue, 15 April 2003 02:20
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I'd drop the lot straight into a Mk2 Corona, but, then again I'm biased!
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Re: What to do with a 2jz-gte and 6 speed ? or another project ?
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Tue, 15 April 2003 06:17
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| gianttomato wrote on Tue, 15 April 2003 12:20 |
I'd drop the lot straight into a Mk2 Corona, but, then again I'm biased!
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And what's wrong with being biased, it's still a Toyota!
I think you should GTE the thing, stop mucking around with atmo power
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Re: What to do with a 2jz-gte and 6 speed ? or another project ?
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Tue, 15 April 2003 06:31
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Corona , i learn to drive in one of them, that puke color mustard yellow, manual, 2.0l i think, wagon ! but very reliable, did 17 or 18 years good service to our family. 1976 model i think it was.
GTE the 1g-fe you mean ?
Nah, not enough go-go juice !
Given i can see a reasonable number of sub $40k is200's i think this maybe the option to take.
Anybody know of any concerns with weight balance etc ? Not a lot of room in the engine bay. Need some better brakes of course (6 pistons AP's maybe or similar)
No idea what to do with computer etc, maybe motec or stock supra unit.
What diff to use ? i hear is200 diff is not that great but 300 lsd will fit in cradle included, what about useing the tt supra diff ?
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Tue, 15 April 2003 06:36
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Sorry Evan, I was actually referring that comment to Gianttomato! (He runs a 2jz-GE in his Mk2 Coronary)
Depends on money when it comes to ECU's, personally I'll be going for an M800 when money permits, but for the moment I'll be sticking with the factory 2j ECU.
Ray Hall put a 2jz with 6 spd into an IS200 some time ago now, www.turbofast.com.au , They have a very basic write up on the conversion, it's on the first page, you can't miss it.
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Re: What to do with a 2jz-gte and 6 speed ? or another project ?
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Tue, 15 April 2003 07:29
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| Stenno wrote on Tue, 15 April 2003 16:17 |
I think you should GTE the thing, stop mucking around with atmo power
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No way mate...I just don't have the ballage! Took the Mk2 out on the weekend with a friend....fought traction all the way thru second and into a bit of third....mate was rendered speechless! Was very funny. Unfortunately, it's too loud to terrorize the locals at Preston Maccas  . I'll wait till they come to the track! 
Back on topic. Ray Hall has a crappy pictorial on the swap into an IS200. I'd imagine that intuitively an IS300 will be a bit easier, given that it runs the 2JZGE (and in the US a 5 speed, so you'd think there might just be the room for the 6 speed)....
ECU-wise, use the stock one for starters, then go to M800 - it can control the VVTi.
With regards to brakes, see if you can locate and measure up the '97 onwards Supra 4 spots and big rotors.They might fit, after all the front rotors on the IS200/300 are the same as the NA JZA80, and I understand the big Supra turbo brakes are a direct bolt on upgrade for the NA JZA80 Soops. You'd be a bit on your own here so check before buying. I wouldn't touch the rears....I think they are already nice big 307 mm rotors with 2 spot calipers. AP 6 spots have a large *BLING* factor and short of some serious track work, they'd be hard to justify.
No experience with the diff, so I won't comment other than to point you to this TRD webpage for diffs.
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Re: What to do with a 2jz-gte and 6 speed ? or another project ?
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Tue, 15 April 2003 07:49
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Maybe a silly question but how did they use a 95 model engine in a 99 model car ??? I thought for emissions etc it had to be the engine was same year or newer than car ?
re: is200/is300 - is300 is same chassis as is200 as you point out correctly with the 2jz-ge but only an auto. Not to mention heavier with extra electrics etc and little body mouldings (i like the clean is200 look) but does have xeon HID headlights i would love ! given is200/300 are more or less identical i think the swap would almost be the same, ok maybe have to buy a couple of extra engine mounts etc.
is300 = ex demo best i could find about $68k but almost new
is200 = 99 model used, $32k but for better examples i am guessing around $38-40k
re: brakes - i would be useing 17" or 18" rims so large shouldn't be a problem, might use late supra brakes but they are expensive ! or some brembos or ap's whatever is a decent deal. This car would see some track use so brakes will be important to me.
M800 is the ecu of choice stock ecu maybe to start with to find any faults.
I am thinking of also ditching the TT turbo setup and going to a medium single unit, smaller than T78
I still have no idea about chassis, eg extra welds or changes, might even see if Neil Bates wants to share some secrets, you never know.
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Re: What to do with a 2jz-gte and 6 speed ? or another project ?
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Tue, 15 April 2003 22:10
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| Evan_26 wrote on Tue, 15 April 2003 17:49 |
re: brakes - i would be useing 17" or 18" rims so large shouldn't be a problem, might use late supra brakes but they are expensive ! or some brembos or ap's whatever is a decent deal. This car would see some track use so brakes will be important to me.
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You'll find you'll be able to get a complete Supra TT big brake package (rotors and calipers) second hand from the import wreckers for around the same price as a single AP 6 spot caliper. No different with the Brembos or Alcons. The only caliper that might compete pricewise would be the Wilwoods, and I'd dare say the Supra calipers would outshine in them performance and ease of installation.
PS: Have you tried the ASLC forums? Someone there may have already done this. Also try IS300net, the owner/moderator has actually performed a 2JZGTE and V160 swap into one. He's a grumpy Yank so do a search and PM him direct with some pertinent questions.
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Re: What to do with a 2jz-gte and 6 speed ? or another project ?
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Wed, 16 April 2003 00:14
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Whats ASLC forums ?
I found is300.net ok though.
There is a few people that seem to have done 2jz into altezza/is200/is300 but not a lot.
Thanks.
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Wed, 16 April 2003 02:58
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I have heard that the IS300 doesn't handle as well as the IS200, even with the upgraded front suspension.
Turn in is not as crisp due to the extra weight up the front.
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Re: What to do with a 2jz-gte and 6 speed ? or another project ?
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Wed, 16 April 2003 03:15
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Holy &%(#!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: What to do with a 2jz-gte and 6 speed ? or another project ?
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Wed, 16 April 2003 03:52
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Re: What to do with a 2jz-gte and 6 speed ? or another project ?
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Wed, 16 April 2003 04:19
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| gianttomato wrote on Wed, 16 April 2003 13:11 |
Did you hear that they may be releasing an IS430 in the US in 2004?
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In a word: GIMME!!!
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Wed, 16 April 2003 22:50
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Have any of you guys ever seen the pics of the TTE IS430 Kompressor?
(Essentially, an IS200 with a Supercharged 3UZ...  )
Now, I WANT one of those!!!
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Re: What to do with a 2jz-gte and 6 speed ? or another project ?
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Wed, 16 April 2003 23:13
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| biased99 wrote on Thu, 17 April 2003 08:50 |
Have any of you guys ever seen the pics of the TTE IS430 Kompressor?
(Essentially, an IS200 with a Supercharged 3UZ... )
Now, I WANT one of those!!!
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Funny you should mention that, I've got a video clip of it not long after they put it together, and a handfull of pics, it's a *sweeeet* sounding motor
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Re: What to do with a 2jz-gte and 6 speed ? or another project ?
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Wed, 16 April 2003 23:19
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Put it in a '53 F100
freak all the rod guys out!
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Wed, 16 April 2003 23:59
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| Stenno wrote on Thu, 17 April 2003 09:13 |
Funny you should mention that, I've got a video clip of it not long after they put it together, and a handfull of pics, it's a *sweeeet* sounding motor
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Gimme gimme gimme! Can I grab it off you somehow?!
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Thu, 17 April 2003 00:12
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How big is this file....If it's not too big I could host it.
Must see supercharged V8 IS200........
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Thu, 17 April 2003 01:12
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Bugger...I've only seen the pics, not the vid.
Could you email it to me? (Assuming it's not too big!)
mick@octa4.net.au
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Thu, 17 April 2003 01:36
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Would the 3uz be any lighter or better fit i wonder ???
Love to see the pics that would rocket.
Damn almost starting to sound like a good idea !
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Mon, 15 December 2003 00:09
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Damn, that sounds CRAZY!!!
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Mon, 15 December 2003 01:11
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Tue, 15 April 2003 12:16 |
I love seeing the look on Nissan owners faces when someone has given a car a Toyota heart <img height="17" width="17" src="images/smiley_icons/tongue.gif" border=0 alt="Razz">
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tell me about it...
i got crucified when i said i was using a 1UZFE in my 240C - everyone was saying - why didn't you just use the infinity V8 and keep it all nissan...?
my response was "coz then people would start to like it".
i have no bretheren now...and loving it.
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Mon, 15 December 2003 01:29
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hmmm....heres my useless input, but...
maybe a nice old 240z datsun?
ma61/ma42 supra?
any old school celica?
ke30 corolla?
i dunno, toyota biasm coming through...
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Re: What to do with a 2jz-gte and 6 speed ? or another project ?
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Mon, 15 December 2003 02:06
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I'm gathering you never read the original date of this thread Ryley?
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Re: What to do with a 2jz-gte and 6 speed ? or another project ?
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Mon, 15 December 2003 11:53
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Stick the 2JZ into a Lexus IS200.
I have 75% completed by 1JZGTE VVTi conversion on my IS200. It is not difficult to fit - just requires some research and thought to solve the few problems.
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Mon, 15 December 2003 22:13
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how about you gimmie some money!!!
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Mon, 15 December 2003 22:38
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| CrUZsida wrote on Mon, 15 December 2003 13:06 |
I'm gathering you never read the original date of this thread Ryley?
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lol, nope. but i didnt drag it up
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