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 1 man brake bleeding
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Fri, 09 May 2003 06:45
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I'm interested in doing 1 man brake bleeding but the "professional kit" was $140, so I'm currently trying to source clear hose and a matching check valve from a pneumatics supplier.
Do you think this will work for a 1 man operation?
Any better ideas?
Any help appreciated. 
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Re: 1 man brake bleeding
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Fri, 09 May 2003 08:13
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Dont you have any friends?  
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Re: 1 man brake bleeding
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Fri, 09 May 2003 08:16
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yell at the woman and tell her to come and listen to the radio for a little while
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Re: 1 man brake bleeding
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Fri, 09 May 2003 08:20
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That's what neighbours are for, in'it?
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Re: 1 man brake bleeding
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Fri, 09 May 2003 08:29
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i was gonna say like the above since u dont bleed brakes that often but i cant stand it when u ask for one thing and ppl suggest something else so obvious as if u didnt think of it
the guy asked for a brake bleeding kit u knobs im sure he had the brain to think of asking someone else to help
(bad day at work)
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Re: 1 man brake bleeding
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Fri, 09 May 2003 08:33
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| manipulate wrote on Fri, 09 May 2003 18:29 |
i was gonna say like the above since u dont bleed brakes that often but i cant stand it when u ask for one thing and ppl suggest something else so obvious as if u didnt think of it
the guy asked for a brake bleeding kit u knobs im sure he had the brain to think of asking someone else to help
(bad day at work)
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I agree, all you people are inconsiderate 
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Re: 1 man brake bleeding
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Fri, 09 May 2003 08:34
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| Cool1 wrote on Fri, 09 May 2003 18:13 |
Dont you have any friends?
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Cough*....
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Re: 1 man brake bleeding
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Fri, 09 May 2003 08:36
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ummm, I'm speechless
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Re: 1 man brake bleeding
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Fri, 09 May 2003 08:47
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Whether "Nobody" has friends is beside the point. You could not only do the bleeding job yourself, but you likely do the job quicker than a two man operation.
Any thoughts?
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Re: 1 man brake bleeding
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Fri, 09 May 2003 08:48
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...as exactly you should be!
(Strange, the way some people think, isn't it?)
As for the 1-man brake-bleeding kit; you may be a little stuck here. Given that it isn't an operation carried out by 1 person "that often" your choice of kits for the job is likely to be limited...Picture yourself at the counter asking for such a kit, and having the sales person say something like..."Well, they're $140...Shit, man for that price, maybe you should invite the neighbour over for a beer!"
(Which isn't to suggest that you have that option... )
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Re: 1 man brake bleeding
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Fri, 09 May 2003 08:51
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Some people are so uptight 
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Re: 1 man brake bleeding
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Fri, 09 May 2003 08:54
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| Cool1 wrote on Fri, 09 May 2003 18:51 |
Some people are so uptight
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Awww.....no one understands Shane but his frog
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Re: 1 man brake bleeding
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Fri, 09 May 2003 08:59
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I just use a bottle, a long bit of clear hose, and a bit more fluid.
Hard pedal everytime.
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Re: 1 man brake bleeding
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Fri, 09 May 2003 08:59
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Yeah least he loves me 
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Re: 1 man brake bleeding
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Fri, 09 May 2003 09:22
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| gianttomato wrote on Fri, 09 May 2003 18:59 |
I just use a bottle, a long bit of clear hose, and a bit more fluid.
Hard pedal everytime.
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Thanks Gianttomato.
So what your saying is the suck back isn't great enough to worry about.
Do you find that you have to push the pedal many more times than a 2 man operation?
Also has anyone heard of gravity bleeding by just leaving the bleed valves open and letting time and gravity do the work?
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Re: 1 man brake bleeding
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Fri, 09 May 2003 09:56
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Thanks Gianttomato,
I'll wait for your pic tomorrow.
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Re: 1 man brake bleeding
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Fri, 09 May 2003 12:42
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Not long ago I saw an ad in a mag for a little bleed nipple that had a ball & spring one way valve inside it. I can't remember who was advertising it thought.
Maybe try Rare Spares?
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Re: 1 man brake bleeding
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Fri, 09 May 2003 13:25
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i got a piece of clear hose with a 1 way valve on it. you can get them from any place that does car stuff, i got mine from the tiny auto section in a hardware store. does a great job
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Re: 1 man brake bleeding
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Fri, 09 May 2003 23:49
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You can also reverse bleed the system if you have a syringe and a piece of clear hose. I did this last time i had to bleed my brakes and it worked quite well.
1)Just drain the system completely,
2)suck the brake fluid into the syringe via the hose which is on the end of the syringe,
3)connect to the nipple on the caliper and open the nipple,
4)force the fluid into the system watching the reservoir so it doesn't overflow.
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Re: 1 man brake bleeding
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Sat, 10 May 2003 01:06
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I got one of those cheapo "single man bleeder" kits from Repco, basically consists of a tube and a bottle connected to a magnet. So you stick the bottle higher than the bleed valve, and open the valve and pump, and it pushes the fluid up until it sort of fills the bottle. Any bubbles float up through the tube. Then you come out of the car and check to make sure it's brake fluid all the way to the nipple, tighten it up and away you go. Make sure before you undo the tube you place the bottle below the nipple or you'll end up covered in brake fluid when you take the tube out of the nipple.
Seems to work quite well, although build quality is rather crap and the tip of my tube is starting to fall apart (less than 6 months later)
The bleed valve you speak of with the ball bearing is called a speed bleeder (http://www.speedbleeder.com/) I'm not sure who sells them.
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Re: 1 man brake bleeding
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Sat, 10 May 2003 02:05
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Well, if they hadn't been bought out by Supercheap there was a link on the Marlows site for a brake bleeding kit. Like $15, all it is is a piece of hose with a one way valve. Simple as.
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Re: 1 man brake bleeding
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Sat, 10 May 2003 04:02
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Auto parts store should have a mighty vac hand powered vacum pump paid about 18.oo dollars US for mine bleeds brakes without getting hands dirty as well as other jobs. one man bleeding.
Greg
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Sat, 10 May 2003 12:23
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Thanks for the replies peoples.
There sure are alot of ways to bleed brakes.
The "Speed Bleeder" system looks like a great idea, but works out to about $50AUD a car. If you have more than one car it is likely to be much cheaper to buy/make a good external setup.
With the clear hose and one way valves some of you have, how does it work with different size bleed nipples? Most cars I have seen have a different size on the front to the back. Won't you have to have 2 different size hoses?
Thanks for your help.
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My craptastic 1 man bleeder
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Sun, 11 May 2003 01:08
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Take careful note. One dead lemonade bottle one length of clear plastic tubing (80 cents/m of window washer tubing at local car shop. Note distinct LACK of one way bleed valve.
Carefully positioned hole burnt into lid of lemonade bottle with soldering iron.
The suck back is minimal. You will see by looking at how little distance an introduced air bubble moves on release of the pedal. I accept there is some suck back and consequently use a little more fluid. It absorbs water once it's opened so I figure I might as well use it all.
Sunlight and brake fluid make the clear tubing opaque white and hard.
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 RE: My craptastic 1 man bleeder
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Sun, 11 May 2003 12:31
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Thank for posting the pics of your "Craptastic 1 man bleeder" Gianttomato. 
I suppose by raising the hose to the top of the bottle, the air bubbles are more likely to rise away from the bleed valve. Clever.....
I think I'll try building one of these. Why not? After all it should cost a dollar or two.
As I've also already effectively ordered the pneumatic pipes and check valve, I'll try both in time and get back to this thread about the comparison.
Thanks again Gianttomato.
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RE: My craptastic 1 man bleeder
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Sun, 11 May 2003 23:48
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I actually usually hook the tube up in a spring or over the disc so the bubbles automatically preferentially rise.
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RE: My craptastic 1 man bleeder
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Mon, 12 May 2003 00:17
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I use a weed sprayer they type you pump up cost around $10 and a brass nipple.
Bolt the brass nipple in the resivor cap(may need some silicon to seal and connect the nipple to where the spray attachment on the weed sprayer would go. Pump it up as hard as you can. The system should hold pressure of around 30 psi just right for pressure bleeding then go around to all your nipples and tweek them. You bleed you car fast no jumping on the peddel. Only draw back is the resivor must be the screw on type. I use this on my dads BMW which has 2 remote brake boosters and 3 master cylinders works a treat. If you can't under stnad what I am talking about look up "cheap brake pressure bleeder" on google.
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Re: 1 man brake bleeding
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Mon, 12 May 2003 08:32
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Roger,
Is this link what you mean?
http://www.glue.umd.edu/~singletn/web/pages/bleede r.pdf
Gianttomato,
I made your Craptastic 1 man brake bleeder today and used it. I lashed out with luxury by actually drilling the holes in the two caps (for 2 different size hoses for front & back nipple sizes).
So far it appears the bleeding went well as the pedal seems hard enough, but I haven't driven the car yet to test. Like you said, you end up using more fluid than 2 man and also the suck back appears to be only 5mm in the tube.
Thanks again.
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Re: 1 man brake bleeding
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Mon, 12 May 2003 12:26
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Haha, at tafe today doing my aircraft maint. course, we're doing landing gears atm, and the maintenance manual proceedure for bleeding the brakes of a Gulfstream Aerocommander (lol) specify to have the end of the plastic hose immersed in hydraulic fluid while bleeding the brakes, to prevent air being sucked back in & to help see the bubbles come out.
Nice one GT.
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Re: 1 man brake bleeding
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Wed, 14 May 2003 04:16
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Thanks Roger,
It looks like the best way to bleed as you don't have any problems with the master cylinder seals rubbing on the usually unused area of the master cylinder, potentially causing excessive wear.
Unfortunately the master cylinder cap on my car is not a screw type (like most I think) and so therefore I can't use it.
Thanks anyway.
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Re: 1 man brake bleeding
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Wed, 14 May 2003 07:31
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| BigWorm wrote on Mon, 12 May 2003 22:26 |
Nice one GT.
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I'm so wasted in intensive care. I hardly ever get to wield a spanner up there.
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