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Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Sat, 17 May 2003 02:27
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Hey all
In a couple of yrs i wanna do an engine swap on a car that will redefine the word "sleeper"
Just wondering what cars would a 3S-GTE fit into without moving the firewall back?
Ta
Mani
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Sat, 17 May 2003 07:00
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Forget a 3s
454 into a ke20 corolla. Remove rear seats boot and tank. Cause the engines goin in the back!! Bolted up to a porsche transaxle so its still rear wheel drive. Mount fuel tank under the bonnet. Now thats a wheely popin sleeper
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Sat, 17 May 2003 10:45
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honda ct110 with 4A-GE transplant
what?... they're putting them in everythig else nowadays 
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Toymods Social Secretary
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Sat, 17 May 2003 11:37
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get yourself a KE10. White. Stock cheese cutters. Cream vinyl interior. Stock seats. Stock ride height.
3S-GTE 400hp+
re-define "traction issues" 
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Sat, 17 May 2003 12:02
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| THE WITZL wrote on Sat, 17 May 2003 21:37 |
get yourself a KE10. White. Stock cheese cutters. Cream vinyl interior. Stock seats. Stock ride height.
3S-GTE 400hp+
re-define "traction issues"
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heheh
nice call
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Sun, 18 May 2003 02:38
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Im writing these down and ill research them over time
And yeah forgot to mention it needs to be RWD or something FWD that can easily be converted to RWD......cause a FWD car would be even more of a sleeper
Thanx
Mani
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Sun, 18 May 2003 02:46
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What about a 3SGTE into an old RWD Corona..there are lots of grandpas that bought these and with a set of mags they look really nice, ok not really nice but at least Ive seen a few that make me go ...wow that doesent look too bad  , there are plenty of parts around and there are always good ones at deceased estate auctions, it should be a straight bolt up to the box as well??
just something Ive been thinking on for a while
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Sun, 18 May 2003 03:00
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Thanx Michael
I dont want a car thats too old though as im sik of running around for parts....travelling here and there only to find out they';re not in good condition etc
but coronas are rather plentifull ....will write that one down
Ta
Mani
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Mon, 19 May 2003 01:56
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well if you want something relatively new, and that no-one would expect to go fast, why not go a 1990s tarago with a 1jzgte shoehorned in??? 
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Mon, 19 May 2003 10:58
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I like that idea. We've all seen heavily modified Corollas, Coronas, Cressidas, Crowns, you name it... the sleeper value of all these cars is diminished because people have made them fast. A sleeper has to be something that no-one would EVER expect to be fast, and a Tarago fits the bill nicely!
I dunno how you'd go fitting a straight six under the seats (the 3Y is a bit of a squeeze as it is), but I'm sure you could get something turbo in there with a bit of effort. I'd sure like to see a Tarago do a 13 second pass at the drags!
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Mon, 19 May 2003 11:13
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20B in a sprinter ?!
or sr20det in a sprinter
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Mon, 19 May 2003 12:49
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| Shteeve wrote on Mon, 19 May 2003 11:56 |
well if you want something relatively new, and that no-one would expect to go fast, why not go a 1990s tarago with a 1jzgte shoehorned in???
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LOL
I'm tempted to turbocharge my Tarago hehe 
Imagine... a '99 Tarago with turbo... hehhehehheh
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Mon, 19 May 2003 13:26
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How about a Crown station wagon (an older one with those nice lines and a full rail chassis) with a twin turboed 1UZ, that would scare a few.......... 
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Mon, 19 May 2003 14:59
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| sprintr wrote on Mon, 19 May 2003 21:13 |
or sr20det in a sprinter
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LMFAO!!!!
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Mon, 19 May 2003 22:30
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the torago would be a good idea if u can bare to be driving one, there are a few hiaces running round with turbos and the trail bikers have always been doing up their vans ever since i can remember so, a hiace mightn't have the 'WTF factor' your looking for.
same with the 2WD hilux with the mini-truck scene taking off and attracting the P platers.
i reckon 4 door Mk2 corona or latest model RWD corona, torago, MS112 (i think) crown, or KE70 corolla wagon...
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Tue, 20 May 2003 01:57
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Gday,
Old Buttercup yellow corona sedan with a "jesus" fish sticker on it.
And of course a 1jz under the bonnet.
Catchas,
Seeks!
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Tue, 20 May 2003 03:25
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| seeks wrote on Tue, 20 May 2003 11:57 |
Gday,
....with a "jesus" fish sticker on it.....
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Yeah a Jesus sticker will turn anything into a sleeper....nice one!!
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Tue, 20 May 2003 03:33
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some may call it predictable, but i was shocked and awed when a white two door rav4 turbo absolutely caned all these vtec hondas at a recent er.. meet. The only Honda it lost to was a certain s2000 on that night. Stock rims and introvertial exhaust, the Honda boys (and girl) didnt know what hit them
good thing is, its already got 4wd grip
cheers
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Tue, 20 May 2003 09:18
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turboed mighty boy WTF?
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Tue, 20 May 2003 09:19
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how about late model tercel with GT4 engine and rear end?
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Tue, 20 May 2003 09:44
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83-85 model nimbus
with a vr4 motor in it, plus a big arse turbo
a 13 second twin sliding door 6 seater cruise mobile!!!
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Tue, 20 May 2003 09:51
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Nice thought....getting on the right track... but i want RWD not 4WD rob
"if you can EVER got one complianced in the country "....this immediately means rare....hence annoying for parts Karl
Ok with the tarago's and the Nimbus ideas.....guys.....lets stay away from the people movers
nice thoughts though
Im still liking the corona idea
Ta
Mani
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Tue, 20 May 2003 10:14
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Hillman Hunter
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Tue, 20 May 2003 10:19
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Old + Rare = impossible for parts
Ta for the reply though
Mani
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Tue, 20 May 2003 10:59
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mmmmmmm ok how bout a 1964 UP10 (Publica)? I think I know where there's one for sale!
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Tue, 20 May 2003 16:53
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the idea ive had for a while is not so much a sleeper.... just something crazy i wanna do later for fun with my bro. a suzuki mighty boy rwd conv with a 12a or 13b turbo, so.....DONT DO THIS!!! cos i wanna!
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Tue, 20 May 2003 17:00
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i love the van idea too but ive seen the ultimate version of this.... some nissan van with an sr20det! the best part? it has the disabled stickers on it and wheelchair gear in the back! i was told the owner is a quadraplegic and has nurses drive for him! it looked old and dodgy too i only remember the 747 part of the no# plate so beware!
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Tue, 20 May 2003 22:24
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sorry mani.. it's just from your first post you said you want to "redefine the word sleeper"...
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Wed, 21 May 2003 01:15
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thanks for the jesus sticker idea guys! I already have the 'Baby on Board" suction cap thingy! The only other sticker required is my "It's Criminal how low Qld police are paid!" sticker. for suck up value of course.
Probably doesn't suit the toyota site, but check out www.fullboost.com.au and look at the L300 on the front page. 350CI chev with NOS and runs 10.8. still has roof racks and the plumbers pipe!
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Wed, 21 May 2003 03:05
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What about a Subaru WRX with a 3SGTE in it!
No one would expect one of those WRX things beating anything!
Oh and I saw an old granny (80+) in an original looking (green/brown) series 2 (maybe 1) RX7. She's probably owned it since new.
You can make anything look like a granny car:
Crappy (OLD can't be new) hubcaps
Granny quilt on the back seat
Bowling hat on rear parcel shelf
Must be faded brown or faded white
Never wash it (have only washed mine 3 times in a year  sacrelidge)
Wind deflector on driver and passenger window
Cressidas are good for sleepers as they can fit a 1J and they can look like a granny car (as well as look great with mags etc.)
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Wed, 21 May 2003 03:57
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I knew a guy in Adelaide who had an 80's style Hiace van. Army green with a white roof.
It had a 7M-GE under the front seats.
12 sec 1/4 mile.
Went for a ride with him & he blew off a WRX at a set of lights! Wasn't the WRX driver pissed off! Tried again at the next lights & still lost. Turned off after that, prolly too embarrassed.
He'd tried a 7M-GTE but it got too hot because not enough airflow.
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Wed, 21 May 2003 09:52
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Yeah im liking the corona idea
i might actually see this corona this weekend
yeah ive got a Cops R Tops sticker.....thatll be good.....baby on board will be nice too
but thats it
So yeah im probably gonna go a corona fella's.....now to research like ive never researched b4 !!!
Thanx For the advice guys
Mani
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Wed, 21 May 2003 10:05
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Called the guy
$1200 for an 198X model corona.....no panel damage....a few spots of surface rust
looks to be the go
I think ill see it tomrorow night
Ta
Mani
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Wed, 21 May 2003 10:38
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well, if you go for an XT130 then i could give you some info. for help or if it is an XT141, SHIFTY from performance forums is fitting a hipo 1g-gte into his.
go the xt130!
later
chris
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Wed, 21 May 2003 10:41
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Thats mad of u
Ill find out
Theres another car in the for sale and wanted section too which looks tempting aswell
TA
Mani
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Wed, 21 May 2003 21:54
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dont go the XT130 it has all the shitty borg warner gear on it, if u want a good corona platform go the RT141 Avante`, it has lotsa mod cons, discs all round, F series IRS rear end (stick a MA61 LSD in), EFI fuel tank/pump, power rack and peanut steering, facotry aircon etc etc etc
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Thu, 22 May 2003 00:53
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If you want a corona go a mark2 i've got one. No one knoew what the fck they are and when they find out they're like a CORONA? they kind of look like the RX3 they come with a 4m so you can bolt a 5m and im pretty sure u can put a 7m in with minor mods to the engine mounts.
they're rwd my 76 cherped thirds in the wet they're a drift machine. ask giant tomato he's got a coupe theyre the motehr of sleepers.
I got done by a hand held radar the cop said nice Mk2, i had a bit of a chat with him i didnt have my licence on me so he said have u been done b4 i said yeah i got done last week for an illegal u turn he said cool if it al checks out i'll let u off $50 and a point i was clocked doin a 114 in an 80 he alleged it at 104.
cant complain
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Thu, 22 May 2003 02:53
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Rob - i believe the technical term is "Racoon Peanut"
Mani - yeah stick with the R-series Corona's, mainly the RT-132 and RT-142 since they are both easier to do the conversions on becuase they have the better quality gear in them.
The RT-132 has similar running gear to an RA2/4* celica, and the 18R (i think) which makes it a candidate for a 1G-GTE. There are squillions of these guys about.
The RT-142 like Rob has said has all the next level gear you find in the later *A6* models... and makes for a good platform for an even STRONGER 1G-GTE or even a 1JZ-GTE!!!
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Thu, 22 May 2003 07:56
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Thanx Rob and Carl ..... Much appreciated...
And coronamark2.....thanx for the reply but like i said i dont want anything older than 80's as parts are a hoare to get
Thanx heaps
Mani
Gonna go see one of 2 coronas im seeing tonight
and the other one on saturday
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Thu, 22 May 2003 09:44
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This isn't an option simply because of the unavailability of parts but i thought you guys might like
My uncle has a 195X (?) Go-go mobile dart which came with a tiny little 400-600cc moto engine (i dont know the exact specs cause I don't care). he is currently aquiring a 1100cc BMW engine to slap in the back. At the same time he is doing this, anothre friend is supercharging his 250cc run about/fun bike....if only they would work together.
P.s. the bike rider is 18 and just purchased a BRAND SPANKIN YZF-R1 . That's right folks, 18 years old and he owns a 300km/h+ bike... he's going to be sorely missed
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Thu, 22 May 2003 14:22
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how bout an SV21 in it with a turbo celica engine... Or even a 13bt. I'm thinkin station wagon.
A baby seat in the back. And if you can get your hands on some of those real cheesy 80's decals, it'd complete the look. Also, y'know those real dodgy aftermerket "toyota" key hole covers, and the reflective door strips would be nice too. And those oversized dorky 80s rain/wind visors on the door windows. Those beaded seat covers would go down a treat.
Oh, did I forget to mention some bubbly BROWN window tinting that's not holding up hahahahahaha...
And don't wash your car ever!
now Imagine that ripping type Rs and what have yous
ROCK ON.
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Fri, 23 May 2003 00:35
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what years are the RT142's?
yeah, i have had to change heaps of stuff in my corona like diff brakes etc. so i don't actually know what it had standard but i wouldn't imagine that it would be very tough just by the old shitfire engine it has standard
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Fri, 23 May 2003 01:56
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forget the corona the way to make a sleeper is get yourself a genuine lancer EVO, replace the body kit with a dody copy, add 5" tip, ROH mags, neons, a couple subs and a shopping list and bingo no-one will ever suspect that its actually a quick car.
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Fri, 23 May 2003 13:28
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Yeah thats what u call a Riced-Sleeper
also a good idea....would be fun but i cant stand that crap so id prefer the traditional grandpa look sleeper
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Sun, 25 May 2003 10:58
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Yeah im either gonna go a 1G, 3s-gte, or 1jz
if the 1jz fits ill go the 1jz
if not ....ill have to decide between the other two
Mani
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Sun, 25 May 2003 22:05
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from what ive read over the years on the 3S swap the ST141 also runs a boarg warner gearbox so the bellhousing wont be able to bolt to a W5# box...
can anyone confirm?
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Mon, 26 May 2003 01:01
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Yup, a friend of mine has an ST141 and it has a Borg-Warner 4-speed and diff. Apparently the wagon versions have 5-speeds though, but I'm not sure if that's a BW or Toyota box.
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Mon, 26 May 2003 01:42
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Do you any of you guys know what shape xmemeber is in the rt-142
I'm considering putting my 1G into one and was wondering about th sump configuration.
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Mon, 26 May 2003 01:57
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The ST141 crossmember looks similar to the RA6x, ie front-sump configuration. I expect the RT142 is the same.
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Tue, 27 May 2003 16:42
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the 5 speed is also a borg warner.
it was an option in both the sedan and wagon. it has the same first four gear ratios as the four speed and i think they are identical except for the extension housing for 5th gear.
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Re: Help deciding on the ultimate sleeper
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Wed, 28 May 2003 11:32
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| Bugman wrote on Mon, 26 May 2003 13:42 |
Do you any of you guys know what shape xmemeber is in the rt-142
I'm considering putting my 1G into one and was wondering about th sump configuration.
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I can confirm for you that a TT142 Corona (I think that was the code, 3T-GTEU motor anyway) crossmember can be swapped directly with a TA63 Carina crossmember. The TA63 crossmember is also identical to the RA63 crossmember (Jap import Celica with 18RGEU/W55) other than for the engine mounts. A quick inspection also showed the SA63 crossmember to be similar. Therefore the appropriate sump set for your 1G should fit it into all the above cars, you MAY even be able to use a GA6* (unsure, 1 I think it is) crossmember to go straight into your Corona.
Callum
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