but rob - its new, shiny, plasticy and stuff.....

honestly - think about that in 5-10 years time!! It'll be one of the MOST SOUGHT AFTER hot hatches around!

Thats going down on the list of future 2nd handers!


*only the bastards forgot the most important (and sexiest) part!

ITS NOT A 2 DOOR!

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a friend of mine bought a mk4 6-speed tt supra at the age of 21

and owned a tt 300zx for a year before that

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Fat_KE70 wrote on Wed, 28 May 2003 21:29

Well all of the cars i was talking about are stock cars... the astra, although it dont rev as nice as any 4ag, has shiteloads more torque and just as much power so by the time the 4ag has started to come on song the astra is already away. remember im only talking about stock engines here. Dont get me wrong toyotas are my fav make of car(aside from cars with a wankel engine ) but just from driving new astras on a daily basis i think they are a better packagealthough i havent driven any rolla later than a 98 model.

I know what you mean.. I haven't driven a 1ZZ Corolla as yet but maybe I will later on so I can't comment on how much torque it has compared to an Astra.

Anyway, with my slushbox Astra, I can still climb up decent hills in 4th and locked torque converter at 1500rpm and still be happy pulling. This is with just the "free" airbox mod (i.e. pulling out some pipes) and Ultimate 98 that I normally run.

When I got my Astra, the 1ZZ Corollas came on the scene but the sales guy at Chatswood Toyota could only tell me it was a 100kW engine.. but nothing about other specs like torque or what revs the peak power was achieved at claiming that's all the info they were given plus the shape has never been seen b4 etc etc which only differed by the headlights... although it was released in Asia 10 months before (when I returned to HK) it wasn't "new" to me to see the shape anyway. Also the fact that they wanted me to try the AE112R Corolla on their chosen route wasn't what I wanted to try. Definite shopping trolley and my verdict to the sales guy was very truthful but blunt. He didn't take it nicely though... but what do u expect from an Ascent model?

After that, I said to myself, "Sorry Toyoda-san, your products in Australia are boring & uninspiring... thus I will buy elsewhere"... after 11 yrs in a Camry, I know what whitegoods on wheels really means.

Plus I know from experience that any new model onto the market will always carry some inherent teething problems so I wasn't going to be the sucker that buys a car that someone at the factory isn't 100% on building. Plus I didn't want to drive a car where I had to put springs, shocks etc just to make it handle (though it's ironic that I did slap on Eibachs on my Astra but purely coz of the price I got it at).

But at the end of it all, both cars are a great buy... so you really can't go wrong with either or them. Both have their ups and downs...

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