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possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sat, 14 June 2003 03:52
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Just thinking about it...I don't know much about this stuff, but i'm guessing you'd need custom cross member, custom diff, then fuel pump, exhaust, etc. But the engine probably wouldn't fit in the bay at all yeah? Also it's 4wd, so would the whole 4 wheel drive system need to be cutsom, or just a custom or shortened rear diff? It'd be pretty funny seeing that, the car would travel back in time.
Dan.
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Sat, 14 June 2003 04:00
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Simple answer is no. However i'm sure this could be done if you had a spare 30k and a lot of time.
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sat, 14 June 2003 04:02
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ouch. 30k? U sure, the front cut with diff i could get for 5k...you reckon the custom stuff and labour would cost 25k?
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sat, 14 June 2003 04:04
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To have the job done for you would easily reach 25K.
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sat, 14 June 2003 04:07
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Hmm, i'll ask around out of curiosity now, i expected around 10k, but not 25, you can buy a gtr for that.
Dan.
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sat, 14 June 2003 04:09
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10k wouldnt even get you a 3S conversion.
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Location: d
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sat, 14 June 2003 04:13
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where would all the money go?
5k for front cut, including engine, g/box and diff.
need custom crossmember, guessing round 1.5k?
modified GTR diff or custom diff 2-4k?
fuel pump $500
labour 2k?
engineering cert $800.
So, if it would be 25k, then it would cost you as much as buying a GTR to get it into a TA22? That sucks.
Dan
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sat, 14 June 2003 04:18
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you'd be better off wanting to dream about putting it in a ra23 just for the extra room that the engine bay provides.
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Location: d
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sat, 14 June 2003 04:18
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Ouch, shame. I guess i'll just wait 40 years and buy one myself. or get a front cut and pretend to drive it around.
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sat, 14 June 2003 04:19
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Labour 2K?
Most shops charge horrific rates for this sort of stuff.
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sat, 14 June 2003 04:21
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they've got a nice lookin body those ra28's, pretty rare too, at least from my experience. My dream car to put a RB26 in is a Pontiac 67' firebird.
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sat, 14 June 2003 04:23
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i know a few places that do engine conversions for like 1.5 -1.8, but that's mostly for the non turbo model being converted into the identical turbo model.
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Sat, 14 June 2003 04:33
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Bladerunner wrote on Sat, 14 June 2003 14:23 | i know a few places that do engine conversions for like 1.5 -1.8, but that's mostly for the non turbo model being converted into the identical turbo model.
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So nearly $2000 for a bolt in proposition. The conversion you're proposing is far from that.
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Sat, 14 June 2003 04:48
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I said 1000 for exhaust, you get the front brakes, which are the most imporatnt, could get gts-t brakes cheaper for rear.
2000 for intercooler? It's a front cut, comes with intercooler. once again, front cut...electricals, comes with loom. 2000 for stronger diff i said that too... but yeh about 3k worth of other stuff. Oh well, if i were to plan something like this, i'd get friends to do it, rather than have sum1 rip me off for labour.
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Sat, 14 June 2003 04:50
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Gianttomato - I know regarding the bolt on, i said MOSTLY bolt on, and that's often with them providing half the parts, not u buying the front cut urself.... So ends up around 400 for labour for a bolt in....but they also do other stuff, like a 2jz into a mk3 and mk2 supras, which requires a fair bit of mucking around.
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sat, 14 June 2003 04:52
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yr better of fitting a 3lt all alloy nissan engine
i dont know how good a front cut it is for 5000 bucks
engines r usually that much
gbox sometimes up to 2000
brakes around a grand
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sat, 14 June 2003 05:19
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unless someone has already said...in factory tune im pretty sure both the 1jz and the 2jz have more power than the rb26dett. Go for the toyota mate...cheaper and easier - and for the performance if your gonna spend big dough then the toyota is the one...
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Sat, 14 June 2003 07:58
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GiantTomato,
Nickname obviously in gratitude of your brain...Ur an asshole. I was voicing some thoughts regarding this conversion, not attemping to assert some kind of mechanical dominance. I don't know much about cars, that's why i said it at the start of the POST! But you just had to add in some smart ass remarks like 'do you even own a tape measure', obviously to boost your own deficient ego...wat do u think ur going to achieve through insults anyways, get some crappy little 'over the internet' vindication? I'm not even sure y my post offended you? For next time, just don't reply, i didn't ask for YOUR help, and there's obviously others who are willing to respond that aren't upset or attempting to offend someone or put them down.
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Sat, 14 June 2003 08:09
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dude, i think he just finds it amusing that youre adimant (repeatedly) that it WON'T cost a huge sum of money...
and why dont you think it wont cost a huge sum of money? intuitively, one might say you have not much of an idea as to whats involved. thus, on what grounds can you argue that "it wont cost that much"...
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sat, 14 June 2003 08:18
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I offered the best help I could. I supplied you with an email address for someone who has actually performed a similar conversion. That's ultimately better than all the other 'speculative' posts thus far.
Don't want advice? Simple. Don't post in a public forum.
Remember that personal attacks aren't allowed in this forum. We are a friendly place.
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sat, 14 June 2003 08:18
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look out robbo we have a contender
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Location: d
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sat, 14 June 2003 08:21
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He finds it amusing?
Quoting him...
Do you even own a tape measure? You don't need to answer any of these......they are rhetorical questions, and I don't care for the answers anyway.
Read this a couple of times till you understand it:
These suggest more than amusmement, they're sarcastic insults aimed to insinuate some kind of mental deficiency. I've talked to a couple of friends about engine conversions who may have claimed untrue knowledge, ergo leading me to be under some false impressions. Perhaps this forum should have some kind of mechanical exams to become a member, which would prevent people who are unaware of cars to post, as this is obviously an issue. I did create this post to learn, not to be insulted. I have talked to others that priced labour for engine conversions involving RB26's that are way cheaper than 25k, so i was trying to find out a little more about this...That's all. Seriously, like i said, if he's insulted or feels like amusing himself at the expense of others, then simply don't post a reply to my thread, i don't believe there's a need for it.
Dan.
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sat, 14 June 2003 08:25
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GiantTomato - read my last post. You offered the best help you could, coupled with beligerant insults? Gee, thanks so much. I don't seek insults when i post in a public forum, no...is this what you think they are for? Help, in the form of an email, which isn't speculative but may be totally irrelevant, blended with insult? And you accuse me of disturbing some happy community?
Dan.
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sat, 14 June 2003 08:31
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an rb26 1/2 cut will set you back probably about 8-10k for a decent one anyway...go for a 1jzgte from asian autos in Brisbane. Will give you a 1/2 cut with everything you need to perform an installation for about $3000..and with 280hp stock...i think thats more than enough to handle...even with that much..you've pretty much gotta strip the car to a shell to do it safely...its not like a supra from factory...you need to upgrade lots of things to insure you dont put yourself at a risk and others on the road...i doubt very much the rb26 would fit in the ta22 bay anyway...check out the 1jzgte ones...they're a tight squeeze!
Think seriously before you buy this one...could be a lot of money wasted.
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sat, 14 June 2003 08:36
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Hey,
Thanks for the genuine advice. I'm not considering buying a GTR front cut anytime soon, and yeah i like the 1jz's too, although i'd probably go for a 7M-GTE in it's place, just because i like the idea of a single turbo for some reason. The 1jz's probably are more reliable than an RB26 too, if the Toyota reputation is anything to go by; although I can get a decent GTR front cut for about 5.5. I wont be though, i don't have the budget to anyways, unfortunantly. Additionaly, if i were to do an engine conversion in a TA22 to a RB26, i'd just buy a GTR, the TA22's are cool, but not THAT cool, in my opinion. I was just curious as to some of the facets that would be involved in a job like that.
Dan.
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sat, 14 June 2003 08:41
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Hey,
In response to the moderator, I believe GiantTomato instigated a personal attack first, however i'm not going to devote the time to construct an argument proving that beligerant insinuation that insults someone's intelligence is an insult.
In terms of me listening, i retorted that i'd ask around again out of curiosity, and I also said - where would all the 20k go?
I believe those are responses that did not manipulate the sentiment that the job would be expensive, but are actually questions aimed at learning further, are they not?
Dan.
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sat, 14 June 2003 08:46
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to give you an idea of what conversions are possible and what is vaguely involved with each... here is a quick list:
With a TA-22 Celica....
- 2T-G. Bolt in. Dead easy
- 2T-GEU. Bolt in with EFI fuel and computer/wiring upgrades
- 3T-GTEU. some engine mount mods, brak mods, EFI mods, diff mods
- 1G-GTE. engine mounts fabricated, gearbox mounts, radiator moved, severe handling mods, tailshaft/diff mods, efi mods
- 1JZ-GTE. firewall mods + everything listed for 1G-GTE
- 7M-GTE... wasted in a TA22. add ridiculousness to 1JZ-GTE.. too big, too heavy and would make for the worst handling celica this side of a KE50...
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sat, 14 June 2003 08:51
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Hey,
Ok cool thanks. See now i don't see what the point of GiantTomato's attitude was, that helped heaps, and free of put-downs...however i won't bother delving into that.
Thanks again, Dan.
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sat, 14 June 2003 08:58
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ey,
Just one more thing i forgot to ask. The RB26 conversion would be so much more difficult that the 1G mainly because of the 4WD system? Or would it be in the likes of the 7M?
Thanks, Dan.
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sat, 14 June 2003 09:00
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4wd is impossible to have in the ta22...not enough room...if you cut the bumpers and extend the whole front of the car then perhaps you could fit it in if you've got the time and money. its size is around the same as a 7m. I.E too big for that car.
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sat, 14 June 2003 09:36
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Hi
An RB26DETT TA22 Celica would be a wild conversion.
I know that it would not be street legal in N.S.W., But would it be street legal in any State around Australia?
I don't think anybody bothers with trying to fit the "ATTESA E-TS"(electoronic 4-wheel torque distributing system) when retrofitting an RB26DETT to an older car(240z, 260z etc). It would be a bit of a mission.
-Regards Mike
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sat, 14 June 2003 10:14
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ta22 to AWD anything would be a total nightmare - not even worth trying because of the limiting factors of the ta22's bodyshale , chassis , engine bay Etc etc ..
I dont even see 30K doing this - as there would be that much custom fabricating involved - thst you might as well make your own chassis - and try and fit a fiberclass ta22 replica shell Over it
If you like Nissan gear - try sr20's still a prick to fit im sure - but it is being done - ask Bad22 - hes on the forums here - and is trying this conversion
your best bet for bang for bucks is a 3tgte or a 3sgte swap if your budget allows it ..
or spend your 30K on a r32 GTR and have it already in there - FACTORY INSTALLED!
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sat, 14 June 2003 10:18
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The cost is almost a 'how long is a piece of string' proposition.
Quote: | ...like a 2jz into a mk3 and mk2 supras, which requires a fair bit of mucking around.
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The irony of your argument, is in fact due to forums such as this and US based supra forums, these conversions are reality and have been previously achieved and are well documented. (read: www.norbie.net) A 2j into a JZA70 wouldn't be 'that' much of an issue as compared to other venutres.
HOWEVER, what you have described is something that has never been done, there are no people to consult who have previously completed the work, nor are their detailed descriptions or a photo documentation of the conversion.
Sideshow mentioned Quote: | incase they run into some problems halfway thru conversion
because its never been done b4 they can charge whatever they want i know i would
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And this links back into what i have said above, it hasnt been done, you will be a pioneer for the conversion and as a result there is no precedent set for which to charge you for a complication in a shop. That is where the money will go.
Getting back to the issue of engines, yes it 'is' possible to fit a larger engine, but it will require alot of modification to the structure of the car as noted before.
Its a place to learn, listen to the opinion of others and do some research for yourself, ie. not on forums, to establish what can and cant be done, and a mates word isnt always gospel.
As mentioned above, ask a engineer if its legal, then talk to mechanics and 'performance' shops to gauge their ideas and opinions. There are bound to be some that will say too hard and refuse.
Anything IS possible, it will just cost you alot more if you want it done in some fashion. Plan it, give it time and do some research.
Have fun.
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sat, 14 June 2003 10:18
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what, you mean to tell me no-one makes a kit for this project??
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sat, 14 June 2003 10:24
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taiyma or Revell might make a Kit - but you have to buy your own paint and glue - the bastards never supply this !
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sat, 14 June 2003 10:25
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DECALS!!!
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sat, 14 June 2003 11:45
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I reckon it'd be tough to fit a RB26DETT into a TA22, let alone a whole GTR sorry, I couldn't resist.
The RB26 as many people have pointed out is bigger than a 1GGTE..by a lot, and this requires MAJOR work to fit in a TA22. Its probably closer to an 1JZGTE or 2JZGTE in overall length, and these are an extra couple of inches at least.
If you really wanted to do it, I'd seriously suggest running it in RWD, 4WD would be WAAY too much of a hassle. The gearbox from an RB25DET would be a bolt-up proposition to the engine at least, and has internals as strong as the GTR's box. I don't think that this box would fit the tunnel without major mods though, its rather sizable.
No one has really harped on about handling, which is usually the the first thing people do when someone talks about putting a big iron block six into a little Celica. I think that puts into perspective how much of a bitch it'd be to fit.
Food for thought dude, suck up everything everyone has to say, they aren't saying it to dampen your enthusiasm, they're saying it cos thats the way it is...
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Sat, 14 June 2003 13:44
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C'mon, you can do that for less than $10k dude...but on a side note..that IS FULL SIIIIIIIIKK!
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sat, 14 June 2003 13:47
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Bah hahahahaha
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Sat, 14 June 2003 13:49
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Duuuuude, youse is not looking hard enuffs ok?
Youse don't need to spends da dosh on shit like brakes...they work now right? y they no work l8r? use ur hed buddy
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Sat, 14 June 2003 14:08
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I'm sorry...but he started it
Anyways, if you do look at the above post I did...well, a couple above, I meant what I said about it being a bitch, it'd be crazy to attempt 4WD and probably wouldn't be the best result considering the money you'd have to spend.
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Sat, 14 June 2003 14:17
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In all seriousness, Bladerunner contact that 260Z guy. Or better still, go to a PIARC sprint at Phillip Island (I see you are in Vic) - he's always there - and have a chat to him. You can even touch the car and actually SEE what the $20+K has gone into.
His email address again is: Sinisha_Banjac@bigpond.com.au
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Sun, 15 June 2003 03:24
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Fark, can't believe how many replies this thread has...
Anyways, this is on behalf of someone else...note: this is NOT mine
PS. Good to see the new server is active
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Sun, 15 June 2003 03:43
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Sun, 15 June 2003 05:31
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Bwahahahaha
I love the driver!
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sun, 15 June 2003 05:56
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Hahaha...I hosted it and I didn't even pick that!
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sun, 15 June 2003 06:13
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thats just immature
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sun, 15 June 2003 06:32
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just posting to unsubscribe to this thread too many email post notifications grr!
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sun, 15 June 2003 13:05
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have u thought about installing a rotary?
heaps easier...less time = less labour costs
and u will be able to get a good setup for ur budget.
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Sun, 15 June 2003 23:57
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i like this guy... yeah go the rotaz son... there only like 1/3 the sive of a rb26, the rb is also alot wider, and i doubt that the the engine would even get between the strut towers... also the inline 6 would be an extreemly tight fir from nose to fire wall... the ra23 celica have a hard enough time fitting 1j's so i can believe how hard it would be to fit a rb to a ta22 (smallets engine bay, correct me if im wrong)
buy a ra23, and if you can do t so cheaply fit a rb26-dett get all the custom exhaust pipes, body work, tail shafts, diff's, brakes, suspension, gearbox, piping. then come back and tell us how easy it was...
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Re: possible to get a RB26DETT GTR into a TA22?
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Mon, 16 June 2003 02:09
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May I suggest that next time, before posted an idea onto this forum, get yourself a tape measure, measure up the engine bay of the car to want to transplant into, and then go to an importer and measure up the engine/gearbox you want to transplant.
Check for width, length, height of both engine & transmission.
A lot of conversions get ruled out this way, plus you mightn't get quite so ridiculed for ideas that won't work unless you want to spend more than a house on them.
We get a few laughs on this forum from people who don't adhere to this procedure (see above)
Now... does anyone know where to get hold of the length (and cost) of the Toyota 5L V12?
Want to see if it'll fit into a 280ZX.
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