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sr20det into ae86?
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Mon, 21 July 2003 20:04
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ok...new engine this time. how would i have to mod my ae86 to fit a sr20det? I need details because i am doing the swap myself.
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Mon, 21 July 2003 20:09
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around how much does the sr20 weigh compared to the 4agze?
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Re: sr20det into ae86?
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Tue, 22 July 2003 07:48
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Hmmm ... you may want to get in touch with the owner of this vehicle who is selling it ATM - he might give you some insight:
http://pub131.ezboard.com/ffwdtoyotafrm5.showMessa ge?topicID=2631.topic
FWIW, I've been told that the SR20 is an all alloy engine which makes it slightly lighter than a 4AGZE but as for the difference, I wouldn't have a clue ...
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Wed, 23 July 2003 08:06
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I did a lot (read: LOTS of reasearch on this a couple of months ago. and frankly i cant be arsed going through it again at the moment.
Suffice to say, that idea is no longer even a consideration for me anymore.
Consider me sorry for my shooting down of your plans  ...
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Wed, 23 July 2003 08:16
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| Rex_Kelway wrote on Wed, 23 July 2003 18:06 |
Suffice to say, that idea is no longer even a consideration for me anymore.
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May I ask why??
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Re: sr20det into ae86?
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Wed, 23 July 2003 08:32
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I cant see the problem, assuming you have lots of money
custom crossmember, throw some money the way of the gearbox/bellhousing, and pay an autoelectrician a grand or so to wire it all up for you, and you're set
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Re: sr20det into ae86?
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Wed, 23 July 2003 08:39
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whats a crossmember exactly? ive been given mixed directions by people as to what this is
please someone explain? with a pic aswell?
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Re: sr20det into ae86?
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Wed, 23 July 2003 08:45
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The crossmember is a steel beam which supports the engine.
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Re: sr20det into ae86?
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Wed, 23 July 2003 08:49
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| Norbie wrote on Wed, 23 July 2003 18:45 |
The crossmember is a steel beam which supports the engine.
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The beam in that picture wont support much  Theres no freakin mounts on it 
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Wed, 23 July 2003 08:52
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And the advantage of that is you can insert any engine you like... just make brackets to suit. A blank canvas if you will! Now, who has a 1GZ-FE I can measure? 
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Wed, 23 July 2003 09:02
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if I had one, I wouldn't let you near it to measure it.... as I'm sure I'd wake up with a sore head and no 1gz-fe
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Wed, 23 July 2003 15:19
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ahh i see
so way if an ae86 had a front smash and this was so badly damaged it was removed... this would denote a REALLY bad smash??
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Thu, 24 July 2003 00:59
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Bad enough to bend the chassis, which usually takes a fairly good whack. A car with a bent chassis can never be repaired 100%. 
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Thu, 24 July 2003 01:18
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| Norbie wrote on Thu, 24 July 2003 10:59 |
Bad enough to bend the chassis, which usually takes a fairly good whack. A car with a bent chassis can never be repaired 100%.
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TOTALLY AGREE!!
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Sun, 27 July 2003 00:47
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an sr20 in an ae86 will be an awesome upgrade.. in brisbane there is quite a few ke70's with them and they go like the clappers.. the sr20's mountings are similar to the toyotas but yeah as was said it will cost a bit to get them in.. if you can do thee work yourself it wont coast as much but ya looking at around about 10k to get one in you will drffinately need a brake upgrade.
there is a guy in brisbane who specialises in doing this conversions into old cars.. he charges around 15k to get them in with new diff, brakes, suspension and full 3" zorst but he charges alot in labour
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Re: sr20det into ae86?
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Sun, 27 July 2003 04:04
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*In my opinion* there are better engines than an SR20 - but there's no reason you can't put on in there. The only thing I can say is, if you can't do it yourself then I really don't see why you would... 
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Re: sr20det into ae86?
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Sun, 27 July 2003 04:14
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because they are a powerful engine straight up.. more power then 4age,4agze, 3tgte and are alot more legal then a 1jzgte,2jzgte and 1ggte. they also responde well to mods. very potential engine. alot of bolt on turbos for them and are strong engines
my opinion is they are worth the money you spend getting one in
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Re: sr20det into ae86?
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Sun, 27 July 2003 05:02
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as I might have already mentioned.. as long as you're not after more than around 220-240 rwkw, they're brilliant. loads of bolt on mods, never die.. everything you could want.
main problem is once you get close to 250rwkw, you need to replace just about everything.
I would definitly go one over a 4a or 3t (although their potential has been well proven on the toymods forums).
if you want major performace from a simple setup, go the sr20. otherwise, go a 4a-gte
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Re: sr20det into ae86?
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Sun, 27 July 2003 07:13
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as someone asked before...ewhats their complete weight compared to a 4age/4agze?
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Re: sr20det into ae86?
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Sun, 27 July 2003 08:01
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dearch the net dood... it cant be too hard to find
dif I had to take a guess, lighter than the 4a-ge
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Re: sr20det into ae86?
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Mon, 28 July 2003 03:00
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4AGE W/ Tranny = 423 LBS
SR20DET W/ Tranny = 490 LBS
i guess not!
sure its an alloy block but you need to take in account of the turbo, piping, cooler, box and so on... weighs more then the 4age set up!
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Mon, 28 July 2003 04:57
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The 3S-GTE is a much better option IMHO.
The SR20DET isn't what you call a "modern" engine. It's got rockers FFS!
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Mon, 28 July 2003 05:02
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ahh but cost and difficulty negates the Sr20 to be a better option..
the 3S is really a hard one!
what about a CA18det?
these have shim under bucket set ups, like to rev, pretty strong, good aftermarket and simple mods make them go hard!
underrated motors IMHO
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Re: sr20det into ae86?
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Mon, 28 July 2003 05:07
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its mechnically more advanced then an Sr thats for sure.
Sure its not an all alloymotor but the benifit of that is strength!. it would have to weigh about the same as a 4age.
There are various turning houses getting 600 hp from these things(big dollar jobs tho) ....so im sure they are not all THAT bad!
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Mon, 28 July 2003 05:08
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| Simon-MrRx7 wrote on Mon, 28 July 2003 15:02 |
ahh but cost and difficulty negates the Sr20 to be a better option..
the 3S is really a hard one!
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The SR20DET is not a simple swap either. You'll find that the cost/difficulty of both swaps is quite close.
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Re: sr20det into ae86?
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Mon, 28 July 2003 05:11
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depends on if you dop it yourself or not. having helped a mate do a conversion into his 86 before i can say it wasnt out right hard.. just requires a bit of thinking.
better of starting with a RWD motor that has an easy clutch and gbox set up rather then going for a East west motor that needs custom belhousing and clutches etc etc
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Re: sr20det into ae86?
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Mon, 28 July 2003 05:31
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The problem isn't that the SR20DET isn't a very advanced engine, the rockers were there for a reason, they just didn't swap to them without some thought from the numerous Nissan engineers.
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Mon, 28 July 2003 07:51
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The 3S conversion isnt really that expensive. If you speak to the right people you can but most parts needed to do the job.
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Mon, 28 July 2003 08:41
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but if a thick shit copper pulls u over and sees a nissan engine in your toyota he's gonna go over the whole car, if he sees toyota there is a better chance u will get off
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Mon, 28 July 2003 09:45
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Get the raised NISSAN and INTERCOOLER TURBO lettering on the cam cover ground off!! Simple!!
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Re: sr20det into ae86?
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Mon, 28 July 2003 12:53
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Bah!!
Mechanical engineers! Worst designed engine he's ever seen! He's never seen a Ford side valve!
Nissan engineers! I know! On our "new model" lets do away with the semi-trailing arm independent rear end, and bolt in this fantastic Borg-warner axle! (or was that the nissan accountants)
Oh yeah, those Toyota superchargers are HEAVY so remember to add that to the weight of the 4AGE mentioned earlier.
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Mon, 28 July 2003 13:29
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1.A coppa knows a turbo engine no matter what make it is.
2.I have 157rwkw in my TA22 with the stock SR20DET and gearbox.
Be realistic. Do u know how qik that is in a car that weighs in at 950kg? I'm aiming to get an extra 100rwkw out of it after some mods. And that my friends will be in the 11 sec bracket. I think that is more than enough for a street daily driven car.
3. And how about this turning back into an intelligent forum thread and no more "my mate said this and this guy said that"
4. Let the guy do what he wants, he asked if it would fit not your opinion on other engines or there are better engines around without stating which ones u think they are.
5. First u guys say that it would cost him big bucks, then u tell him that the SR20DET isn't very advanced. So would it cost less to install a more advanced engine would it? I dont think so.
6.The great thing about the SR20DET is that yes, it does respond well to bolt on mods, but u can also walk into any workshop and get anything u want for them. U wont get some guy saying "2J what?" or "oh those 3T things that are prone to detonation?"
7.Whatever conversion u decide to do, it wont just bolt up. Simple as that. It'll cost money. Things need to be fabricated.
Dude, take it from me. I have done the conversion, i drive it everyday and i am bloody happy with it. I think you would be too. Dont worry about what the TOYfreaks say.
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Mon, 28 July 2003 13:50
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Oh and if u want something done but cant do it yourself?...Just get it done no matter what it takes. Because its yours, and its gotta be how u wannit. So what if there are people out there who cant replace, repair, recondition everything thats on a vehicle. I'm sure thats most of us. Mr Shin are u able to make an excellent cup of coffee on a proper coffee machine?
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Re: sr20det into ae86?
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Mon, 28 July 2003 22:40
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Bad22: well said and i highly agree. However since the guy initially asked about 1jzgte's into an ae86 and we talked about the draw backs of that now we're doing the same with the Sr it looks.
while there are plenty of drawbacks there are also a lot of pro's as well. Obviously you have a modern motor, one that is reliable when looked after, responds to mods and is very powerful.
I think 1jzgte-ae86 needs to work out what he wants from a car... a 11 second street weapon or something that actually stops and handles as well.. if all he wants is straight line stuff then maybe he should be looking at other cars rather then the ae86. I believe that crown with the 4.5L turbo would be a prime example!.
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Re: sr20det into ae86?
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Mon, 28 July 2003 23:01
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Hi , I think Bad22 has hit it on the head. Any conversion of this magnitude is going to cost. You must look at all the pros and cons. Toyotas S series engines have there own issues when it comes to converting to rwd. They are all good engines. However an engine that is already in rwd form, with a front sump( suit sprinter), has a good reliability record, and is readily avail with turbo, cant not be looked at. I have looked at both CA18DET and SR20DET and both should be seriously considered.
And now for the add - I have both engines in half cuts. E mail me or give me a call.
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Re: sr20det into ae86?
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Mon, 28 July 2003 23:23
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out of the CA18 and SR20 which did you feel was the better option?
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Tue, 29 July 2003 03:13
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Both the CA and the SR are good choices - they both have pros and cons etc, and these pros and cons are well thrashed out on the Nissan forums.
I have seen more AE86s with CA motors in them though, but could just be the luck of the draw. Personally I think it is sad that Toyota don't make at equilvalent RWD layout motor.
Cheers
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Tue, 29 July 2003 03:23
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reason why ca is more common in ae86's because its more cheaper then the sr20, hence people choose to go ca18 and i believe they are easier to find.
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Tue, 29 July 2003 03:39
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MR RX7 & ANDREW: thanks for your back up guys and i also agree on that it is sad Toyota dont make a rwd setup like most other manufacturers(in 4 cyl form anyway). I would have loved to put a turbo toyota engine under the bonnet of my toyota. There is no doubt about that. But my choices were 3SGTE or 4AGZE. Either way they had to be turned around which equals more fcuking around and more dollars. To me i think the choice was obvious between the SR and the CA. Sure its a little more expensive but every dollar spent on top of the CA price to buy the SR was whorth its weight in gold. Doesn't everyone prefer a 2.0 over a 1.8? And why do dudes do sr20 conversions into their 180sx? Gee, i wonder.....(no pun intended.) 
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Tue, 29 July 2003 03:47
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oh...and i almost forgot, i think it is possible to build an 11sec car and have handling to match. I dont see a reason why not. My sr20 TA22's purpose is street racer. it is in no way built for drags etc. yeah i like watching burnouts an shit but i'm not going to put my baby through axel snapping, drive shaft warping, box munching stress(not to mention the $$$) just to see what the limit is.there are enough guys out there doing that. But what there isnt enough of is tough toyota's with street cred. That is my aim.
"One Aim"
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Tue, 29 July 2003 14:35
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I can't get over the fact you want to put a Nissan engine in a Toyota.
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Tue, 29 July 2003 20:49
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each to their own really. if the shoe fits wear it.
my next project will involve a sr20det. not sure what it will go into, maybe a ke20 or old 910 bluey who knows - i think the motors are great - like said above though - plenty of bolt on mods - its all good.
given the power to weight ratio and you're already working with a proven turbocharged motor and gearbox to suit - an sr20det into an ae86 would be grouse fun!
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